COTMA, Ferny Grove etc (was YATM for Melbourne)
Brent Efford
Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:49 AM
Yes, thank you Andrew.
Another tram website to bookmark.
I note John Engleman's
posting re his Ferny Grove visit experience. It seems as
though souvenir shop/visitor centre operation and the public interface
is a point of difficulty for most tram museums. It is generally not a
function which attracts the most suitable volunteers, and a disaster if left to
the least suitable. Ideally it should be done as a commercial operation with
competent paid staff, but I doubt if any of the museums would have the customer
numbers to make that feasible (except maybe where the tramway is part of a
larger professional museum/theme park operation like MOTAT, or where it is part
of a municipally-supported operation like Wellington's Cable Car Museum).
The best shop operation I
have encountered in a tram-only museum was St Kilda in 1997. Hopefully it
is still like that.
Maybe this is something
that COTMA could encourage higher standards for. A bad experience at one
museum will tend to reflect on all.
Cheers,
Brent Efford
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Cox [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2002 7:48 p.m.
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [TramsDownUnder] Re: YATM for MelbourneThere is some information about this museum and others at the Council of Tramway Museums of Australasia website.I hope this helpsAndrew CoxWebmaster, COTMA-----Original Message-----Is there anyone on this list from Brisbane (not Adelaide!) who can give us
From: Brent Efford [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 9:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [TramsDownUnder] Re: YATM for Melbourne
an update about Ferney Grove? I visited the site in early 2000 and peered
through the fence, but it was all shut up and didn't look much advanced from
the situation reported in old "Electric Traction" mags from the early 70s.
Is that unfair? Do they operate regularly? Have the plans for a decent
length of running track been abandoned?
Cheers,
Brent Efford
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-----Original Message-----
From: Herman R. Silbiger [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 10:00 p.m.
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: YATM for Melbourne
I would strongly urge that any tram museum be
reachable by public transportation. It also should
have at least one mile of track for operation. A
static display does not give the same experience as
being on an operating tram. During my visit to
Australia Loftus (Sydney), St Kilda (Adelaide) and
Bendigo satisfied those conditions and were great
experiences. Ferney Grove (Adelaide), with only a few
hundred feet of track, left me with a desire for more.
This does not mean that I did not enjoy what they
had.
Herman
--- IS Edit <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree with your points, Michael. And I drove
> trolley buses for a living.
>
> My main caveat on a tram museum for Melbourne is
> that it should be directly connected to the tram
> system and it should be easy for tourists to find.
>
> Preferably it should be in a historical tramways
> building.
>
> I think the Gertrude Street cable winding house is
> perfect and it is under utilised but it would be
> hard to get a track connection into the existing
> door for cars outbound from the city and that is in
> the side of the building so would give any inside
> tracks a poor layout.
>
> Bob Murphy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Walker
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:51 PM
> Subject: [TramsDownUnder] Re: YATM for Melbourne
>
>
>
>
> >>> pn1.rm<[email protected]> 05/10/02 12:36pm >>>
> >Why not have a trolleybus route (using "cars"
> from Australian and overseas systems)connecting the
> existing tram network with the proposed museum site?
> >Paul in Melbourne
>
> Interesting idea, but I probably would submit the
> following arguments against it:
> 1. Trolley buses as far as I'm aware have never
> been a Melbourne form of transport. ie There is no
> historical link between Melbourne and trolley buses
> as a public mode of transport.
> 2. If you're going to string the wires up for a
> trolleybus, you might as well do it properly and put
> in the track as well and run your exhibits.
> 3. Melbourne needs another incompatible mode in
> it's public transport system like it needs another
> urban freeway. At least a full tram line would have
> the benefit of being an extension to the existing
> public transport system as well as a place to run
> historical trams. A 'historic trolleybus route'
> would run the risk of being a white elephant used
> primarily as a tourist attraction rather than a
> legitimate public transport route in it's own right.
> 4. If access to the site is seen to be the issue
> (and I thought people here were more concerned with
> running the exhibits properly rather than a short
> demonstrator line and mostly static exhibits),
> Newport and North Williamstown railway stations are
> not that far away anyway and far more likely to
> provide access to the site than a short suburban
> trolleybus route to Footscray.
> 5. If there were funds to be spent on trams, there
> are some far more worthwhile projects that would
> benefit more people (ie take people out of cars)
> such as extensions of tram routes to traffic
> generators (e.g. route 3 to Chadstone, route 48 to
> Doncaster, 75 to Knox, 64 to Southland, and so on).
> Footscray and Newport aren't really short of public
> transport.
>
> Given the number of trolleybus fans here, you can
> find me for the next 2 weeks in my bunker...8^)
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