Re: W2 v Milano
Peter D. Ehrlich
Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:35 AM
In a message dated 29 Apr 2002 @ 1316 PDT, "groompg" <[email protected]>
wrote (responding to Greg King):
Greg would be most welcome to operate his fill of Milanos in San Francisco,
when he gets here--or anytime, for that matter! I, too, prefer the Milano
over the W2. I'll have to look up the hp of the motors--but that will have
to wait for my return from Milan (May 1-7) LOL!
For visibility, gear noise, peppiness and controller response, you can't
beat a "Ventotto" (the Italian name for Milan Peter Witt, after the year of
their birth, 1928). In general, I also prefer the manual lap brakes--but
for training purposes, I think neophyte operators should begin with a
self-lapping brake valve a la W2s--also Muni's Milano 1834 and its
Blackpool, England "Boat Tram" have self-lapping valves.
Don't get me wrong--The W2 is a great tram! Like the Milan cars, they
provided decades of dependable service. And isn't that what you want in a
streetcar, when all is said and done.
OTOH, I don't think "W2" would be a good nickname for me. I think
"Milantram" suits me much better. Has more of a ring...or maybe a clang
clang...
Milantram
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wrote (responding to Greg King):
(correct me if I'm wrong, the Milano has 30 or 35hp motors? W2's have
40hp) The driving position and view on the Milan is far superior than
the W2 so, overall, give me a Milano anyday.
Greg, the driver!
I hope that Milantram chimes in on this discussion, but in the
meantime:
Don't/didn't some W2s have 35 hp motors? I think that our
operational W2 has such motors and it seemed to me, as a
passenger, that its a little less peppy than I remember our first
W2 (now at a nearby trolley museum) to be. Its been a while, so
maybe its my imagination, which has been over active recently.
I think that some Milanos have 40 hp motors (or its metric
equivalent).
Peter Groom
San Francisco
Greg would be most welcome to operate his fill of Milanos in San Francisco,
when he gets here--or anytime, for that matter! I, too, prefer the Milano
over the W2. I'll have to look up the hp of the motors--but that will have
to wait for my return from Milan (May 1-7) LOL!
For visibility, gear noise, peppiness and controller response, you can't
beat a "Ventotto" (the Italian name for Milan Peter Witt, after the year of
their birth, 1928). In general, I also prefer the manual lap brakes--but
for training purposes, I think neophyte operators should begin with a
self-lapping brake valve a la W2s--also Muni's Milano 1834 and its
Blackpool, England "Boat Tram" have self-lapping valves.
Don't get me wrong--The W2 is a great tram! Like the Milan cars, they
provided decades of dependable service. And isn't that what you want in a
streetcar, when all is said and done.
OTOH, I don't think "W2" would be a good nickname for me. I think
"Milantram" suits me much better. Has more of a ring...or maybe a clang
clang...
Milantram
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