Re: W 2 class trams

-Thanks for the invite Murph but I'll be working hopefully a good
night to make money,I'll catch up in the New Year.Remember Melbourne
didn't spend any really serious money on public transport-from the
30s to the 70s,Depression,War then bloodymindedness by Bolte etc.It
was probably that attitude that kept the trams for us.Peter B.- In
TramsDownUnder@y..., "IS Edit" <isedit@g...> wrote:

Yep, money was tight but in that era, there were few motor cars and

money on

public transport would have been a high priority, I think.

Peter, Blythe and Bonnie will be up here New Years. We don't have

anything

in particular planned other than a fridge full of beer but feel

free to

wander up and doss here.

If you do, give us a call in case we nick out to one of the

neighbours'

places (you'd be welcome there, too, of course).

Happy New Year all.

Bob Murphy
----- Original Message -----
From: "demondriver44" <demondriver44@y...>
To: <TramsDownUnder@y...>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: [TramsDownUnder] Re: W 2 class trams

-Murph,remember that it was Depression days and there was not a

lot of

money around I wouldn't mind betting that the predominant reason

for W5s

over Ys was simply how many cars could we get for a given amount of

money,re

one manning,employment was a really hot political issue,the

Australian

Tramway&Motor Omnibus Employees Association would have been

relatively

impotent given the huge number of unemployed,WGB,re VR cars 1942

was a bad

year for building trams,our Railway workshops,in particular,were

flat out

with war production,I suspect that they were built using whatever

was

easiest available.Peter B.-- In TramsDownUnder@y..., "IS Edit"

<isedit@g...>

wrote:

Good point, Peter.

I bet the Tramways Union would have been against them.

The real name of that union was the Australian Motor Omnibus and

Employees

Association.

I had a top secret security clearance in the US Army in the mid-

60s and

I

remember the DD-398 form "Application for Security Clearance"

had a list

of

what they termed "subversive organisations" on it. You had to

indicate

if

you had ever belonged to any of them. The only Australian

organisation

listed was the ATMO&EA because it was considered Maoist because

of their

Secretary Clarrie O'Shea.

Bob Murphy
----- Original Message -----
From: "groompg" <groompg@e...>
To: <TramsDownUnder@y...>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:07 AM
Subject: [TramsDownUnder] Re: W 2 class trams

--- In TramsDownUnder@y..., "IS Edit" <isedit@g...> wrote:
. . . No matter how good it was to read,

it was a failure.

. . .

Of course, a modern tramcar cost more to build (like it had
DOORS!); seems to me like a failure in imagination on the part
of M&MTB! They could have at least have run up some more
W2s for Collins and gone with Y derivatives for later builds.

Not as much fun to ride as a W on a nice day, but mighty
welcome on a cool, wet one! Maybe too easy to one-man??

Peter Groom





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