This is very good, we will all (forcibly) join in and get rid of what we already have and replace it with what? I saved my penison and paid for seven solar panels on my roof to join the 'green brigade', and what happened? The powers that be jut cut the rebate so that I virtually gain no benefit now but am $1500 short in my bank account - for what purpose, - the /common good/ good but not my own nor my families?

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On 19/01/2017 9:03 PM, Tony Gallowayarg@... [TramsDownUnder] wrote:
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> On 19 Jan 2017, at 7:38 pm, Matthew Geiermatthew@... mailto:matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au [TramsDownUnder] TramsDownUnder@... mailto:TramsDownUnder@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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>> Like for like, at 'green field' power station, solar and wind are now

>> nearly at parity with thermal coal. 'renewables' now only need subsidy

>> to counter the subsidies the coal generators get.

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> Such as not having to clean up all the filth they produce, or pay the health bills from the illnesses caused by air pollution and dust blown off open cut mine sites. They’re all “externalities” to the polluters.

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> Coal’s finished, there's no future for it, coal fired power stations are stranded assets, as are coal mines. The slight increase in prices at the moment for thermal coal are a dead cat bounce before it all falls over. The Adani Carmichael mine is a cargo cult for the Queensland LNP and One Nation, nothing else.

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> Here’s some info from an engineer mate of mine on current costs of providing electricity. Coal’s almost 3 times the cost of solar, more than twice the cost of wind, while nuclear (unless you’re a Dr Strangelove) isn’t even in the stadium, let alone in the race :

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> I work at UTS. I asked our energy experts about electricity generation.

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> Capital Expenditure:

> Coal $2000 per kW/h

> Wind $800 per kw/h

> Solar / Gas $700 per kW/h

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> In several places the capex for wind and solar are now reaching parity with fuel costs for gas and coal.

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> Nuclear meanwhile is so expensive that it is only being considered in the UK to maintain the Nuclear Weapons arsenal - BEFORE even considering the 'externalities' of millennias of storage.

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