Re: Re: Melbourne Historic Fleet - thoughts
Bill Bolton
Thursday, December 6, 2001 12:50 AM
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:53:28 +1100, wrote:
If paying attention to the real research, both here and overseas,
that has been done over the years into what makes transit system
atractive riders is being dogmatic, the I'm very happy to plead
guilty.
In the short term perhaps, but there is plenty of direct evidence in
terms of reported ridership figures from both Australia and around the
world that the age (newer is better) of the vehicle, no matter how
good its state of repair, has a high correlation with patrons
committing to long term usage of public transport.
The Electric Railway Presidents Conference Committee knew this in US
in the '30s when the came up with the PCC design. So did the M&MTB,
NSWGT, BCC etc in Australia when they built large numbers of new, drop
centre saloon style cars in the '30s.
So what's all the argy bargy about then Bob? As much as you'd like to
turn back the clock, pragmatically it isn't going to happen.
"We" don't need to do that, there are Australian companies who knwo
how to do ita nd have done itsuccesfully on an international basis
Unfortunately none of them are located in Victoria and successive
Victorian governments have allowed parochial interest to override
functional issues in terms of selecting a ticketing system.
Well, we agree on something at least!
Cheers,
Bill
Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia
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Sorry to tear into your dogma...
If paying attention to the real research, both here and overseas,
that has been done over the years into what makes transit system
atractive riders is being dogmatic, the I'm very happy to plead
guilty.
They'd rather have a tin can on rails now than a pleasure barge later.
In the short term perhaps, but there is plenty of direct evidence in
terms of reported ridership figures from both Australia and around the
world that the age (newer is better) of the vehicle, no matter how
good its state of repair, has a high correlation with patrons
committing to long term usage of public transport.
The Electric Railway Presidents Conference Committee knew this in US
in the '30s when the came up with the PCC design. So did the M&MTB,
NSWGT, BCC etc in Australia when they built large numbers of new, drop
centre saloon style cars in the '30s.
by a stupid attempt to take a shortcut on brake adjustment. Those cars are
now knackered and they might as well go sink them off St Kilda Pier for an
artificial reef.
So what's all the argy bargy about then Bob? As much as you'd like to
turn back the clock, pragmatically it isn't going to happen.
We should get some Europeans in to establish a reasonable ticketing system
for trams, trains and buses in Melbourne.
"We" don't need to do that, there are Australian companies who knwo
how to do ita nd have done itsuccesfully on an international basis
Unfortunately none of them are located in Victoria and successive
Victorian governments have allowed parochial interest to override
functional issues in terms of selecting a ticketing system.
Both ways, we were Jeffed.
Well, we agree on something at least!
Cheers,
Bill
Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia
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