I agree with that, but probably not justified for McLaren Street because
it's not the major entrance.
Tony P
On Sunday 25 February 2024 at 20:18:35 UTC+11 Andrew Highriser wrote:
> After catching a train at Melbourne Southern Cross and having to walk two
> city blocks from the main entrance to board the train at Platform 8B, there
> is a good argument for travelators at stations when such long distances are
> involved.
>
> Andrew.
>
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 at 19:04, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>
>> The McLaren Street entrance is rather like the Wynyard Walk to
>> Barangaroo - a connection to a remote location that saves people from
>> having to cross roads and traffic. The distance is thus somewhat of
>> necessity longer. The main station entrances at the south end are nowhere
>> near so far. I can still walk, but stairs are pretty much out and
>> escalators starting to get dodgy to navigate. So lifts are appreciated by
>> us.
>>
>> It is said that the Victorians (era that is, not the state) designed
>> their railway stations to invest travellers with a sense of occasion, a
>> feeling of doing something important, an art certainly lost later in the
>> 20th century, not to mention airport terminals. It's also why we're seeing
>> many old railway stations restored rather than demolished and replaced. I
>> think it's about time this particular tantiliser for train travel is
>> revived and the Sydney Metro project is doing that in spades. The Sydney
>> city centre metro stations are going to be fabulous architectural landmarks
>> for the city for many generations, as well as having the practical capacity
>> that has become very pinched on the older stations that were built when
>> they thought the city was only going to have a couple of million people.
>>
>> Tony P
>>
>> On Sunday 25 February 2024 at 18:45:01 UTC+11 Michael Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> I enjoyed Phil's video. However, being "senior", I can still move
>>> comfortably on escalators or lifts, but find very long walks, hard work -
>>> particularly in the middle of a purposeful group of travellers - which was
>>> my experience between Wynyard and Barangaroo some years ago. I'm
>>> experienced using Jerusalem Station, which is also very deep, requiring
>>> multiple escalators or lifts. However, the lateral distances are short,
>>> which does not appear to be the case at Victoria Cross - particularly from
>>> The Northern entrance. The white walls and what look like moulded chairs
>>> will be used as drawing boards and removal challenges. Monumental,
>>> beautiful, but it's still only a railway station.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 6:19:18 PM UTC+11 TP wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are no horizontal covers over the running tracks. I know the
>>>> design you mean, but these (and afaik on all Sydney metro stations that
>>>> have full height PSDs) are vertical walls. There should be very little dust
>>>> fallout in these public areas. The platforms are completely screened from
>>>> the trains, so there would be little infiltration of train brake,
>>>> pantograph etc fallout. They must have some confidence in that, otherwise
>>>> they wouldn't have all those white walls and ceilings throughout the
>>>> station!
>>>>
>>>> To give others context, Phil has filmed starting at the McLaren Street
>>>> entrance, a block north of the main station entrances, hence the long
>>>> passageway (about 2.5 minute walk I understand). Then he's gone down onto
>>>> the platform from the north end and gone to the south end and up the
>>>> escalators to the south end entrances at Miller Street and Denison Street,
>>>> near Victoria Cross. Then he's turned around and walked all the way back to
>>>> McLaren Street via the platform.
>>>>
>>>> It will be 9 minutes to Central from this station, compared to 13
>>>> minutes from the existing North Sydney Station. Intermediate stations on
>>>> the metro line: Barangaroo, Martin Place and Park Street. Intermediate
>>>> stations on the suburban line: Milsons Point, Wynyard and Town Hall. There
>>>> is also the City Circle east covering Circular Quay, St James and Museum,
>>>> but involving a change. Eastern Suburbs line doesn't offer any additional
>>>> city locations other than the above. There is also the option of
>>>> transferring to the George Street tram from any of the rail lines to reach
>>>> intermediate points along that axis.
>>>>
>>>> So overall, quite a good spread of coverage for people wanting to go to
>>>> different parts of Sydney CBD. Later these will be joined by Hunter Street
>>>> Station on Metro West, making a total (including Central) of 11 stations
>>>> within the CBD. Furthermore, Wynyard, the light rail, Hunter Street and the
>>>> two Martin Place stations will be linked by a single underground concourse,
>>>> making it, I believe, the second-largest underground rail interchange in
>>>> the world (after one in Paris iirc).
>>>>
>>>> Tony P
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday 25 February 2024 at 17:35:39 UTC+11 Matthew Geier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Phil didn't waste any time, I just got home from the 'Victoria Cross
>>>>> open day' and haven't had a chance to download my camera yet!
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some architectural details they will come to regret - the
>>>>> opening shot of Phil's video shows two brown 'covers' over the running
>>>>> tracks - they are going to be absolutely hell to keep clean - the 'slats'
>>>>> are going to trap dust and small bits of litter, but the way they are
>>>>> constructed means any one cleaning them will need 'working at heights'
>>>>> gear.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not been in any of the other new stations so I don't know if they
>>>>> all have this detail or not. Certainly was NOT designed for ease of
>>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/2/24 17:25, TP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The station is located in the middle of North Sydney CBD with
>>>>> entrances spread along Miller Street between Victoria Cross and McLaren
>>>>> Street, as well as Denison Street. The platform is 11 storeys below street
>>>>> level. There is a new building of about 40 storeys above the station at the
>>>>> Berry Street corner, next to the MLC building.
>>>>>
>>>>> For a tramway link (not that there's any shortage of that in North
>>>>> Sydney), the northern entrance is only half a block from the stil-extant
>>>>> former North Sydney Cable car depot (now the Independent Theatre).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zgilBgzynI&t
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony P
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