After catching a train at Melbourne Southern Cross and having to walk two
city blocks from the main entrance to board the train at Platform 8B, there
is a good argument for travelators at stations when such long distances are
involved.

Andrew.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 at 19:04, TP historyworks@...> wrote:

> The McLaren Street entrance is rather like the Wynyard Walk to Barangaroo

> - a connection to a remote location that saves people from having to cross

> roads and traffic. The distance is thus somewhat of necessity longer. The

> main station entrances at the south end are nowhere near so far. I can

> still walk, but stairs are pretty much out and escalators starting to get

> dodgy to navigate. So lifts are appreciated by us.

>

> It is said that the Victorians (era that is, not the state) designed their

> railway stations to invest travellers with a sense of occasion, a feeling

> of doing something important, an art certainly lost later in the 20th

> century, not to mention airport terminals. It's also why we're seeing many

> old railway stations restored rather than demolished and replaced. I think

> it's about time this particular tantiliser for train travel is revived and

> the Sydney Metro project is doing that in spades. The Sydney city centre

> metro stations are going to be fabulous architectural landmarks for the

> city for many generations, as well as having the practical capacity that

> has become very pinched on the older stations that were built when they

> thought the city was only going to have a couple of million people.

>

> Tony P

>

> On Sunday 25 February 2024 at 18:45:01 UTC+11 Michael Lewis wrote:

>

>> I enjoyed Phil's video. However, being "senior", I can still move

>> comfortably on escalators or lifts, but find very long walks, hard work -

>> particularly in the middle of a purposeful group of travellers - which was

>> my experience between Wynyard and Barangaroo some years ago. I'm

>> experienced using Jerusalem Station, which is also very deep, requiring

>> multiple escalators or lifts. However, the lateral distances are short,

>> which does not appear to be the case at Victoria Cross - particularly from

>> The Northern entrance. The white walls and what look like moulded chairs

>> will be used as drawing boards and removal challenges. Monumental,

>> beautiful, but it's still only a railway station.

>>

>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 6:19:18 PM UTC+11 TP wrote:

>>

>>> There are no horizontal covers over the running tracks. I know the

>>> design you mean, but these (and afaik on all Sydney metro stations that

>>> have full height PSDs) are vertical walls. There should be very little dust

>>> fallout in these public areas. The platforms are completely screened from

>>> the trains, so there would be little infiltration of train brake,

>>> pantograph etc fallout. They must have some confidence in that, otherwise

>>> they wouldn't have all those white walls and ceilings throughout the

>>> station!

>>>

>>> To give others context, Phil has filmed starting at the McLaren Street

>>> entrance, a block north of the main station entrances, hence the long

>>> passageway (about 2.5 minute walk I understand). Then he's gone down onto

>>> the platform from the north end and gone to the south end and up the

>>> escalators to the south end entrances at Miller Street and Denison Street,

>>> near Victoria Cross. Then he's turned around and walked all the way back to

>>> McLaren Street via the platform.

>>>

>>> It will be 9 minutes to Central from this station, compared to 13

>>> minutes from the existing North Sydney Station. Intermediate stations on

>>> the metro line: Barangaroo, Martin Place and Park Street. Intermediate

>>> stations on the suburban line: Milsons Point, Wynyard and Town Hall. There

>>> is also the City Circle east covering Circular Quay, St James and Museum,

>>> but involving a change. Eastern Suburbs line doesn't offer any additional

>>> city locations other than the above. There is also the option of

>>> transferring to the George Street tram from any of the rail lines to reach

>>> intermediate points along that axis.

>>>

>>> So overall, quite a good spread of coverage for people wanting to go to

>>> different parts of Sydney CBD. Later these will be joined by Hunter Street

>>> Station on Metro West, making a total (including Central) of 11 stations

>>> within the CBD. Furthermore, Wynyard, the light rail, Hunter Street and the

>>> two Martin Place stations will be linked by a single underground concourse,

>>> making it, I believe, the second-largest underground rail interchange in

>>> the world (after one in Paris iirc).

>>>

>>> Tony P

>>>

>>> On Sunday 25 February 2024 at 17:35:39 UTC+11 Matthew Geier wrote:

>>>

>>>> Phil didn't waste any time, I just got home from the 'Victoria Cross

>>>> open day' and haven't had a chance to download my camera yet!

>>>>

>>>> There are some architectural details they will come to regret - the

>>>> opening shot of Phil's video shows two brown 'covers' over the running

>>>> tracks - they are going to be absolutely hell to keep clean - the 'slats'

>>>> are going to trap dust and small bits of litter, but the way they are

>>>> constructed means any one cleaning them will need 'working at heights'

>>>> gear.

>>>>

>>>> I've not been in any of the other new stations so I don't know if they

>>>> all have this detail or not. Certainly was NOT designed for ease of

>>>> maintenance.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On 25/2/24 17:25, TP wrote:

>>>>

>>>> The station is located in the middle of North Sydney CBD with entrances

>>>> spread along Miller Street between Victoria Cross and McLaren Street, as

>>>> well as Denison Street. The platform is 11 storeys below street level.

>>>> There is a new building of about 40 storeys above the station at the Berry

>>>> Street corner, next to the MLC building.

>>>>

>>>> For a tramway link (not that there's any shortage of that in North

>>>> Sydney), the northern entrance is only half a block from the stil-extant

>>>> former North Sydney Cable car depot (now the Independent Theatre).

>>>>

>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zgilBgzynI&t

>>>>

>>>> Tony P

>>>>

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