In Melbourne, yes there have been instances of dragged passengers. One I
recall I think was at Parliament Station.
Andrew.
On Sun, 25 Sept 2022 at 18:44, TP historyworks@...> wrote:
> The position with legal liability in such a case nowadays is that the
> operator (or the operator's staff member/s) is at fault, regardless of the
> actions of the passenger. We can no longer use the justification that the
> passenger should have been more careful. The system has to be designed and
> managed so that even a careless user is safe. What I find surprising is
> that we are told that our commuter trains need guards to be safe, yet here
> we have both a guard and a station dispatcher who failed to observe what
> was happening on a virtually straight platform. All passenger railways,
> except fully automated metros which have an exceptional safety record, are
> substandard by modern safety standards, but it'll take a very long time to
> upgrade them all with more automation, remote sensing and monitoring and
> platform screen doors to minimise the risk of human fallibility, both among
> users and staff.
>
> Wondering if there are instances of dragged passengers in Melbourne,
> Adelaide and Perth where there are no guards and afaik no station
> dispatchers?
>
> Tony P
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 18:13:26 UTC+10stuart....@...
> wrote:
>
>> That article is quite irritating. Sydney Trains was right to challenge
>> that claim, they've spent years and how many $$$$ trying to educate the
>> masses to "Stand clear doors closing". What else do they need to do?
>>
>> From the earliest days of automatic door operation, there's been a
>> clearly audible "hiss" of compressed air indicating door closure is
>> imminent. In more recent years we've had train guards laboriously intoning
>> the above words before the computer generated equivalent was installed
>> along with tones or chimes, and this in addition to the time-honored
>> practice of the guard blowing his/her whistle.
>>
>> The article is interesting in that the CCTV image shown to the court
>> clearly showed the lady close to the edge of the platform with her bag
>> stuck in the doors. I'm not a betting man but if I was I'd wager that
>> footage was only available for later viewing by investing personnel and not
>> available at the time of the incident by station and train staff. The
>> incident wouldn't have happened if it was, nor would it have happened if
>> the lady had stood clear of the closing doors.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 21:59 TP histor...@...> wrote:
>>
>>> The woman was about to board the train at Auburn when the guard closed
>>> the door on her, signalled the all clear together with station staff and
>>> the driver departed, dragging her between the platform and train, seriously
>>> injuring her.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/sydney-woman-awarded-11m-after-falling-between-train-and-platform/news-story/a56cbc3a4d5f4575332b11a78e64b31a
>>>
>>> Tony P
>>>
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