You've hit the nail on the head there, Tony P, no onus whatsoever on the
passenger, he/she can be stupid-as, it all falls on system operators to
protect these people from themselves.
All four platforms are curved to some extent, from memory broad curves
through platforms 2 and 3 allowing train speeds of 100km/h, slower through
platform 1 and slower yet though the broad S-bend on platform 4.
The article doesn't go into detail but if this lady has appeared at the
side of the train while other people are walking towards the exit (ie,
she's appeared out of the crowd), it's entirely plausible that neither the
platform attendant nor train guard actually witnessed her getting her bag
jammed in the door. When they did see her, it's very likely they thought
she was a late passenger with her arm up in an appeal to be allowed onboard
(a very common event). The handles of her bag would have been out of view
and thanks to the rubber seals on the edges of the doors, the door system
would have given the ok to the guard to depart the train.
The staff negligence comes from departing the train while she was over the
yellow line, they should have waited until she stepped back. That is a
salutary lesson for train crew everywhere.
S
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, 18:44 TP historyworks@...> wrote:
> The position with legal liability in such a case nowadays is that the
> operator (or the operator's staff member/s) is at fault, regardless of the
> actions of the passenger. We can no longer use the justification that the
> passenger should have been more careful. The system has to be designed and
> managed so that even a careless user is safe. What I find surprising is
> that we are told that our commuter trains need guards to be safe, yet here
> we have both a guard and a station dispatcher who failed to observe what
> was happening on a virtually straight platform. All passenger railways,
> except fully automated metros which have an exceptional safety record, are
> substandard by modern safety standards, but it'll take a very long time to
> upgrade them all with more automation, remote sensing and monitoring and
> platform screen doors to minimise the risk of human fallibility, both among
> users and staff.
>
> Wondering if there are instances of dragged passengers in Melbourne,
> Adelaide and Perth where there are no guards and afaik no station
> dispatchers?
>
> Tony P
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 18:13:26 UTC+10stuart....@...
> wrote:
>
>> That article is quite irritating. Sydney Trains was right to challenge
>> that claim, they've spent years and how many $$$$ trying to educate the
>> masses to "Stand clear doors closing". What else do they need to do?
>>
>> From the earliest days of automatic door operation, there's been a
>> clearly audible "hiss" of compressed air indicating door closure is
>> imminent. In more recent years we've had train guards laboriously intoning
>> the above words before the computer generated equivalent was installed
>> along with tones or chimes, and this in addition to the time-honored
>> practice of the guard blowing his/her whistle.
>>
>> The article is interesting in that the CCTV image shown to the court
>> clearly showed the lady close to the edge of the platform with her bag
>> stuck in the doors. I'm not a betting man but if I was I'd wager that
>> footage was only available for later viewing by investing personnel and not
>> available at the time of the incident by station and train staff. The
>> incident wouldn't have happened if it was, nor would it have happened if
>> the lady had stood clear of the closing doors.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 21:59 TP histor...@...> wrote:
>>
>>> The woman was about to board the train at Auburn when the guard closed
>>> the door on her, signalled the all clear together with station staff and
>>> the driver departed, dragging her between the platform and train, seriously
>>> injuring her.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/sydney-woman-awarded-11m-after-falling-between-train-and-platform/news-story/a56cbc3a4d5f4575332b11a78e64b31a
>>>
>>> Tony P
>>>
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