Yeah, the Skoda cars are impressive.
The challenge comes convincing the buyer, who might be under pressure to be uh, “economical” inside the political horizon of their overlords, that the extra now is worth the savings later.
The likely situation will come down to the old Ben Franklin aphorism “experience is a tough school, but fools insist on it”. Even then given the proclivity for predictable outcomes to be kicked down the road till they become chronic problems, there’s no certainty the problem will be dealt with rather than perpetuated ad nauseam, as each successive , short term responsibility evader repeats the process of passing it on, like with the Hudson railway tunnels into Penn Station, NYC.
Anyway, you know who to talk to - send an email and order up 80 or so Forcity Smarts on behalf of Stokesey, that should cover things for the time being.
And don't forget an option to cover Parramatta and Newcastle…..
I’m sure both he and Matt Kean will appreciate your “citizen's initiative”.
And like I said before, all those CAFs and X05s will make top artificial fish reefs - fish love that sort of thing.
Tony
> On 27 Nov 2021, at 6:14 pm, TP historyworks@...> wrote:
>
> They're driving at those curves too hard and the curve speed limits are too high for that type of tram. Maybe it was a French conspiracy to get Spanish trams off their market by destroying them. I imagine Alstom is more strict about the limits within which their trams can be operated, noting the way that they crawl around curves. The operators would therefore not want to invalidate their warranty by "reckless" driving. It's one frustrating reason we can't get faster journey times out of them. A dollar to a dime that the journey time on IWLR will be lengthened after (if) the CAFs are returned to service.
>
> A manufacturer offering a range of running gear options would be in a position to advise the operator of the most suitable type of tram for a system, e.g. need I say:
>
> https://www.skoda.cz/en/products/tramcars
>
> Tony P
>
> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 17:31:35 UTC+11a...@... wrote:
> No, they don’t give the trams an easy time of it, and their problems started four years ago, so this was the tramway to put the stress test on the type.
>
> I wonder how much of the CAF legal defence was the tough operating conditions - if they did, the judges (there’s usually a panel of judges in French courts) didn’t buy it.
>
> Tony
>
> > On 27 Nov 2021, at 4:11 pm, Mal Rowe mal....@... <applewebdata://2743DEAD-EAE1-4F12-A5C4-9A9DBBFD14C5>> wrote:
> >
> > On 27/11/2021 15:47, Tony Galloway wrote:
> >> The Besançon operating environment :
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3IimY2Vc8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3IimY2Vc8M
> >>
> >> All hills and curves, so the wrong tram from the start.
> >>
> > Thanks Tony,
> >
> > That track would be challenging for any fixed truck tram.
> >
> > The coincident curves (vertical and horizontal) at the 24 minute mark would be enough alone to break a Citadis.
> >
> > I am struck by the speed limit signs - they seem to be placed based on risk at points of intersection with motor and pedestrian traffic and not to reduce wear and stress to the tram and tracks on curves as in Melbourne.
> >
> > See for example: https://tdu.to/i/17251 https://tdu.to/i/17251 - where the curve is exaggerated by the telephoto lens and it's even a proper bogie tram.
> >
> > Mal Rowe in city with a challenge for the 'F class'.
> >
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