Sorry about the wrong answer.

The older cars are Konstal 105Na produced between 1979 and 1992. The
Moderus Beta was premiered in 2011.

Having said that, the Konstals have had a hard life by my reckoning.

On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 11:10 PM Prescott lenkaprescott@...> wrote:

> The Bs are the youngest candidates for this and plans were drawn up by

> Comeng, but that was rejected as being uneconomic a decade ago. The Zs are

> much older and don't seem to be promising the rugged longevity that enable

> certain European models to be adapted in such a way, even after many

> decades of service life. What model and what age are those Poznan and

> Wroclaw trams?

>

> Tony P

>

> On Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:47:27 UTC+10, Mark Skinner wrote:

>>

>> Why not convert the Zs like has been done here, showing before and after

>> shots in Wrocław and Poznań?

>>

>> Two of these Z equivalents had their rear ends chopped off, and a low

>> floor section hung between. Obviously not as good as a 100% low floor, but

>> still pretty good.

>>

>> Mark Skinner

>>

>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018, 6:23 AM Mal Rowe mal....@...> wrote:

>>

>>> On 12/08/2018 1:50 PM, Prescott wrote:

>>> > As far as I can see, neither of them is promising any new trams beyond

>>> > the current deliveries.

>>> >

>>> Correct, and that's disappointing as I assume that Bombardier will shut

>>> down the E class production line once E2 6080 is delivered. We are up

>>> to at least 6067 in service (see attached pic), so that can't be long

>>> off.

>>>

>>> The government has instead committed to a full refurbishment of the

>>> fleet, but that's just 'kicking the can down the road' if the final

>>> exemptions for the DDA end by 2032, only 14 years away.

>>>

>>> To replace nearly 300 non-compliant trams would require over 20 low

>>> floor trams per year if we started now.

>>>

>>> I suspect the big issue is not only the cost of the new trams, but the

>>> cost of depots and substations to support them.

>>> Of course smaller new trams simply replacing trams of the Z and A

>>> classes would be less demanding on infrastructure, but with Melbourne

>>> population within the 'tram zone' growing rapidly, that's not likely to

>>> satisfy demand in the future.

>>>

>>> Mal Rowe - part of the team refurbishing the old fleet

>>>

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