RE: A puzzle for you
Radcliffe, John (Environment, Waite Campus)
Wednesday, September 11, 2024 11:35 PM
Attached are pictures of MMTB numeral 130 exposed during very early restoration of 192 at St Kilda. As Mal points out, the sliding doors had a propensity to slide one way or the other during braking or acceleration, but in later days, had a tendency to jam when a passenger wanted to get out because of their very narrow profile. There is provision to adjust the height of the doors to provide easy movement, but access to do so is difficult.
John Radcliffe
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Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2024 8:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] A puzzle for you
Correct.
The PMTT "Metropolitan" cars were based on the Adelaide D, but built by the PMTT preferred builder, Duncan & Fraser instead of Adelaide's preference of Pengelley.
They were unpopular with each of their three Melbourne owners and eventually 'sent home'.
The "Order in Council" was probably for the extension to St Kilda in 1913.
I have been told that one of the problems with the Melbourne cars is that the sliding doors were not counter balanced and had a tendency to slam shut on conductors as they worked their way along the footboards collecting fares. That may have been an outcome of choosing a differenet builder.
... and yes, 192 has an HTT monogram in one panel of stained glass - with MTT in the other.
Mal Rowe
On 12/09/2024 00:35, Mark Skinner wrote:
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John Radcliffe
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mal Rowe
Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2024 8:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] A puzzle for you
Correct.
The PMTT "Metropolitan" cars were based on the Adelaide D, but built by the PMTT preferred builder, Duncan & Fraser instead of Adelaide's preference of Pengelley.
They were unpopular with each of their three Melbourne owners and eventually 'sent home'.
The "Order in Council" was probably for the extension to St Kilda in 1913.
I have been told that one of the problems with the Melbourne cars is that the sliding doors were not counter balanced and had a tendency to slam shut on conductors as they worked their way along the footboards collecting fares. That may have been an outcome of choosing a differenet builder.
... and yes, 192 has an HTT monogram in one panel of stained glass - with MTT in the other.
Mal Rowe
On 12/09/2024 00:35, Mark Skinner wrote:
Adelaide D...Formerly Melbourne O...Formerly HTT...Formerly PMTT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-class_Melbourne_tram
https://www.trammuseumadelaide.com/sa-trams
Iirc, D192 in the AETM has an HTT stained glass window from its time
there.
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