RE: Re: YATM for Melbourne

Herman R. Silbiger
Friday, May 10, 2002 12:32 PM

On 23 and 24 March I posted a series of pictures taken
at Ferney Grove to TramsDownUnder. These were taken 4
November 2001 when the museum was open.

You should be able to find them on the Yahoo TDU site.

Herman
--- Brent Efford <[email protected]> wrote:

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Is there anyone on this list from Brisbane (not
Adelaide!) who can give us 
an update about Ferney Grove? I visited the site in
early 2000 and peered 
through the fence, but it was all shut up and didn't
look much advanced from 
e situation reported in old "Electric
Traction" mags from the early 70s. 
Is that unfair? Do they operate regularly? Have the
plans for a decent 
length of running track been abandoned? 
 
Cheers, 
 
Brent Efford 
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Herman R. Silbiger
[mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 10:00 p.m. 
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: YATM for
Melbourne 
 
 
I would strongly urge that any tram museum be 
reachable by public transportation.  It also
should 
have at least one mile of track for operation. 
A 
static display does not give the same experience
as 
being on an operating tram.  During my visit
to 
Australia Loftus (Sydney), St Kilda (Adelaide) and 
Bendigo satisfied those conditions and were great 
experiences.  Ferney Grove (Adelaide), with only
a few 
hundred feet of track, left me with a desire for
more. 
This does not mean that I did not enjoy what they 
had. 
 
Herman 
--- IS Edit <[email protected]>
wrote: 
> I agree with your points, Michael. And I
drove 
> trolley buses for a living. 
> 
> My main caveat on a tram museum for Melbourne
is 
> that it should be directly connected to the
tram 
> system and it should be easy for tourists to
find. 
> 
> Preferably it should be in a historical
tramways 
> building. 
> 
> I think the Gertrude Street cable winding house
is 
> perfect and it is under utilised but it would
be 
> hard to get a track connection into the
existing 
> door for cars outbound from the city and that is
in 
> the side of the building so would give any
inside 
> tracks a poor layout. 
> 
> Bob Murphy 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Michael Walker 
>   To:
[email protected] 
>   Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:51
PM 
>   Subject: [TramsDownUnder] Re: YATM
for Melbourne 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   >>>
pn1.rm<[email protected]> 05/10/02 12:36pm
>>> 
>   >Why not have a trolleybus route
(using "cars" 
> from Australian and overseas systems)connecting
the 
> existing tram network with the proposed museum
site? 
>   >Paul in Melbourne 
> 
>   Interesting idea, but I probably
would submit the 
> following arguments against it: 
>   1. Trolley buses as far as I'm aware
have never 
> been a Melbourne form of transport. ie There is
no 
> historical link between Melbourne and trolley
buses 
> as a public mode of transport. 
>   2. If you're going to string the
wires up for a 
> trolleybus, you might as well do it properly and
put 
> in the track as well and run your exhibits. 
>   3. Melbourne needs another
incompatible mode in 
> it's public transport system like it needs
another 
> urban freeway. At least a full tram line would
have 
> the benefit of being an extension to the
existing 
> public transport system as well as a place to
run 
> historical trams. A 'historic trolleybus
route' 
> would run the risk of being a white elephant
used 
> primarily as a tourist attraction rather than
a 
> legitimate public transport route in it's own
right. 
>   4. If access to the site is seen to
be the issue 
> (and I thought people here were more concerned
with 
> running the exhibits properly rather than a
short 
> demonstrator line and mostly static
exhibits), 
> Newport and North Williamstown railway stations
are 
> not that far away anyway and far more likely
to 
> provide access to the site than a short
suburban 
> trolleybus route to Footscray. 
>   5. If there were funds to be spent on
trams, there 
> are some far more worthwhile projects that
would 
> benefit more people (ie take people out of
cars) 
> such as extensions of tram routes to traffic 
> generators (e.g. route 3 to Chadstone, route 48
to 
> Doncaster, 75 to Knox, 64 to Southland, and so
on). 
> Footscray and Newport aren't really short of
public 
> transport. 
> 
>   Given the number of trolleybus fans
here, you can 
> find me for the next 2 weeks in my
bunker...8^) 
> 
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