Re: WA tram site and question

Thanks for this reference Andrew - not one I had consciously come
across before. Does anyone know where I might pick up a copy
of "Electric Railway Car Trucks" by E Harper Charlton? I've checked
and it is not listed as on reference at any NZ library.

Earlier on someone asked about the relationship between the EE type
trucks, Blackpool variant etc. There is of course John Price's
excellent review, "Mountain & Gibson" given as one of the W Gratwicke
Memorial Lectures and published c1980 and available still I think
from UK sources. This does refer to the late Mike Goodwyn's earlier
monograph (1976)in the same series "The Evolution of the British
Electric Tramcar Truck" - and I see, on checking, does say that E
Harper Charlton's work (on McGuire esp) is "unfortunately
misleading".

I have found "Mountain & Gibson" (60pp) very helpful in tying up the
relationship between McGuire, M&G and later successor firms - also
gives clues as to the origins od the Brush D type (4-equal wheel
truck), similar EE variants such as at Blackpool and those WA trucks
we touched on earlier.

--- In TramsDownUnder@y..., dayoung007@h... wrote:

While not completely reliable, "Electric Railway Car Trucks" by E.
Harper Charlton, edited and published by Harold E. Cox, Forty Fort,

PA

in 1967 is the best overview of the subject of street railway truck
types of North America. It has some information on UK types also,

but

none on European or Australian home-grown types.

Cox also reprinted all the Brill magazines, from 1907 to 1927. I

have

a complete set and at some poinmt in the next week or two will take

a

look to see if there is more info to supplement what I give here--

from

the E. Harper Charlton book.

Brill 62-E-1 4'6" wheelbase, solid forged frame, outside-hung

motors,

inside-hung brakes, 40,000lbs capacity
Brill 62-E-2 4'11" wheelbase, otherwise identical, 54,000lbs

capacity

No dates as to manufacture, but the truck was sold with the
promotional tag that it was identical to the 39-E maximum traction,
but with the wheels reversed so that on the 62-E, the large wheels
were at the car end ie the more traditional max. trac. wheel
configuration. I think it was made about 1910-12 to the early 1920s.

The people at the Orange Empire Railway Museum at Perris, CA. would
not dispute your claim to have the only surviving complete Hedley
Doyle stepless, but they do own the body of Fresno 51, wrongly
identified in my "Veteran & Vintage Transit" book on trolley

museums

in North America as being St. Louis Car Co. built-it was Brill-

built

in 1913.

I highly recommend the book "The Hedley-Doyle Stepless streetcar,

80

years ahead of its time," by Henry Elsner, published by NJ
International, 77 West Nicholai Street, Hicksville NY 11801 in

1997, a

remarkable monograph concerning a remarkable type of car. Don't

know

the price, but check the websites of all the US trolley museum book
stores, check NJ International, failing that, Henry Elsner lives in
Philadelphia and can be found in the phone book. Henry claims that

the

body of another Fresno Hedley-Doyle stepless car serves as a diner

in

Fresno.

Andrew D. Young

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