Re: WA tram site and question
dayoung007
Sunday, September 2, 2001 6:03 AM
--- In TramsDownUnder@y..., brgamble@y... wrote:
While not completely reliable, "Electric Railway Car Trucks" by E.
Harper Charlton, edited and published by Harold E. Cox, Forty Fort, PA
in 1967 is the best overview of the subject of street railway truck
types of North America. It has some information on UK types also, but
none on European or Australian home-grown types.
Cox also reprinted all the Brill magazines, from 1907 to 1927. I have
a complete set and at some poinmt in the next week or two will take a
look to see if there is more info to supplement what I give here--from
the E. Harper Charlton book.
Brill 62-E-1 4'6" wheelbase, solid forged frame, outside-hung motors,
inside-hung brakes, 40,000lbs capacity
Brill 62-E-2 4'11" wheelbase, otherwise identical, 54,000lbs capacity
No dates as to manufacture, but the truck was sold with the
promotional tag that it was identical to the 39-E maximum traction,
but with the wheels reversed so that on the 62-E, the large wheels
were at the car end ie the more traditional max. trac. wheel
configuration. I think it was made about 1910-12 to the early 1920s.
The people at the Orange Empire Railway Museum at Perris, CA. would
not dispute your claim to have the only surviving complete Hedley
Doyle stepless, but they do own the body of Fresno 51, wrongly
identified in my "Veteran & Vintage Transit" book on trolley museums
in North America as being St. Louis Car Co. built-it was Brill-built
in 1913.
I highly recommend the book "The Hedley-Doyle Stepless streetcar, 80
years ahead of its time," by Henry Elsner, published by NJ
International, 77 West Nicholai Street, Hicksville NY 11801 in 1997, a
remarkable monograph concerning a remarkable type of car. Don't know
the price, but check the websites of all the US trolley museum book
stores, check NJ International, failing that, Henry Elsner lives in
Philadelphia and can be found in the phone book. Henry claims that the
body of another Fresno Hedley-Doyle stepless car serves as a diner in
Fresno.
Andrew D. Young
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Is there any info at all on the 62E1 type? I ask because thecars
Wellington Fid bogies were 62EW not greatly different form the
standard 62E, so I wonder if the suffix 1 version for the WA H-D
were also essentially 62Es?wrote:
--- In TramsDownUnder@y..., "Joe Thompson" <cable_car_guy@h...>
Ric Francis, one of the founders of the Perth Electric TramwaySociety has anew site, Trams of Western Australia:the only on
http://www.geocities.com/carbarn1au/Trams.html
Lots of good photos. Worth a look.
He also has a question:If you come across any information on a Brill 62E1 truck from
Hedley-Doyle STEPLESS STREETCAR. I would appreciate it. We haveatleft in the world complete. We hope to restore it,for our Tramwayhttp://explorer.msn.com/intl.aspWhiteman Park.
Regards,
Joe Thompson
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While not completely reliable, "Electric Railway Car Trucks" by E.
Harper Charlton, edited and published by Harold E. Cox, Forty Fort, PA
in 1967 is the best overview of the subject of street railway truck
types of North America. It has some information on UK types also, but
none on European or Australian home-grown types.
Cox also reprinted all the Brill magazines, from 1907 to 1927. I have
a complete set and at some poinmt in the next week or two will take a
look to see if there is more info to supplement what I give here--from
the E. Harper Charlton book.
Brill 62-E-1 4'6" wheelbase, solid forged frame, outside-hung motors,
inside-hung brakes, 40,000lbs capacity
Brill 62-E-2 4'11" wheelbase, otherwise identical, 54,000lbs capacity
No dates as to manufacture, but the truck was sold with the
promotional tag that it was identical to the 39-E maximum traction,
but with the wheels reversed so that on the 62-E, the large wheels
were at the car end ie the more traditional max. trac. wheel
configuration. I think it was made about 1910-12 to the early 1920s.
The people at the Orange Empire Railway Museum at Perris, CA. would
not dispute your claim to have the only surviving complete Hedley
Doyle stepless, but they do own the body of Fresno 51, wrongly
identified in my "Veteran & Vintage Transit" book on trolley museums
in North America as being St. Louis Car Co. built-it was Brill-built
in 1913.
I highly recommend the book "The Hedley-Doyle Stepless streetcar, 80
years ahead of its time," by Henry Elsner, published by NJ
International, 77 West Nicholai Street, Hicksville NY 11801 in 1997, a
remarkable monograph concerning a remarkable type of car. Don't know
the price, but check the websites of all the US trolley museum book
stores, check NJ International, failing that, Henry Elsner lives in
Philadelphia and can be found in the phone book. Henry claims that the
body of another Fresno Hedley-Doyle stepless car serves as a diner in
Fresno.
Andrew D. Young
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