RE: Re: W2 vs others
Michael Walker
Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:31 AM
At 08:21 AM 18/12/2001 +0800, you wrote:
The royal blue and silver would have looked much better, but that doesn't
fix the very angular look. Plus they always look as though there was no
glass in the windows. Perhaps it's just me!
Agreed, that was a fantastic touch. It's a shame they weren't around for long.
Shame, it wasn't that bad before it faded. It was very striking for the
time. It always surprised me though that the tramways buses which were
painted the same (?) colours didn't seem to fade quite as badly, despite in
at least the case of the Doncaster buses, being left outside compared to the
trams in the undercover tram sheds.
Maybe I don't mind the 70s but I don't have much problem with this colour
scheme either! At least they stood out amongst the traffic, and it wasn't
too tasteless.
Again, I didn't mind the green and gold. It especially made the slab sided
butterboxes brought to you by the letters A and B look better with the
touches of yellow. As I said earlier, the other scheme I liked on these was
the chocolate and cream for the 100th B and the AETA anniversary on the A.
I probably agree with you on this one, although the more recent version with
the gold lining looks quite pleasant.
Other liveries that I never got much out of:
* The STA silver and maroon (I know others like it, but it tends to show the
dirt and I think it looks American 60s)
* Yarra Trams current livery on the As and Bs.
* I don't particularly like the M Tram one either, the lines and colours
everywhere look very fussy and make me wonder if they have started painting
abstract art on trams again...
* Some of the Art trams didn't do much for me, although some I thought
looked quite good on the Ws. Down to taste I suppose.
* The Sydney MLR original livery I thought was quite boring too.
* Although the City Circle livery has grown on me, I didn't like it much
when they first came out.
My 2.2c worth!
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Point taken about the colour scheme used for most FM's. Originally silver
with royal blue banding when the first cars were built in the late 1930's
through to just after the war, when the blue banding was discontinued. The
cars remained silver until about 1960 when the silver was progressivily
replaced by light grey all over livery- OK not the most striking, but
functional none the less. During the mid 1950's FM's built with resilient
wheels were further distinguished by chrome bumpers and headlight surrounds,
such as those shown on 535 on the July 2000 calendar 'Trams 2001' published
by Topmill.
The royal blue and silver would have looked much better, but that doesn't
fix the very angular look. Plus they always look as though there was no
glass in the windows. Perhaps it's just me!
The final eight FM's- the aforementioned 'Phoenix' cars were much more
aesthetically pleasing given the early 1960's fondness for drab and pastel
colours. The small phoenix decals below each driver's side window was at
that time an unprecedented poetic touch for a government organisation.
Agreed, that was a fantastic touch. It's a shame they weren't around for long.
Other rather suspect liveries I believe should also be questioned by this
group include:
1. The original Z1 marigold livery that simply could not stand up to
the pittiful amount of sun Melbourne gets.
Shame, it wasn't that bad before it faded. It was very striking for the
time. It always surprised me though that the tramways buses which were
painted the same (?) colours didn't seem to fade quite as badly, despite in
at least the case of the Doncaster buses, being left outside compared to the
trams in the undercover tram sheds.
2. The replacement orange and brown on later Z's which screams 1970's!
Maybe I don't mind the 70s but I don't have much problem with this colour
scheme either! At least they stood out amongst the traffic, and it wasn't
too tasteless.
3. The 1980's green and yellow used in Melbourne- bright, but as the
1990's showed- was a poor substitute for the traditional green and
cream.
Again, I didn't mind the green and gold. It especially made the slab sided
butterboxes brought to you by the letters A and B look better with the
touches of yellow. As I said earlier, the other scheme I liked on these was
the chocolate and cream for the 100th B and the AETA anniversary on the A.
4. The 1960's-1970's Melbourne green and cream- sans gold lining and no
cream below the window sills was a little bit ho hummmm.
I probably agree with you on this one, although the more recent version with
the gold lining looks quite pleasant.
Other liveries that I never got much out of:
* The STA silver and maroon (I know others like it, but it tends to show the
dirt and I think it looks American 60s)
* Yarra Trams current livery on the As and Bs.
* I don't particularly like the M Tram one either, the lines and colours
everywhere look very fussy and make me wonder if they have started painting
abstract art on trams again...
* Some of the Art trams didn't do much for me, although some I thought
looked quite good on the Ws. Down to taste I suppose.
* The Sydney MLR original livery I thought was quite boring too.
* Although the City Circle livery has grown on me, I didn't like it much
when they first came out.
My 2.2c worth!
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