- Trams Downunder

RE: Adelaide H class disposals.
Kym Smith

I suppose in some ways that is the point of my questions. If the new cars
had been classified 'I Class', and the first one numbered 382, the
historical precedent would have been obvious, but in reality there is no
valid reason other than historical precedent for the new cars to have been
numbered or classified in this form.

As John points out, there is usually a reason behind any of these sort of
decisions, and they may not have anything to do with past precedent or
common transport precedents. Graeme's suggestion of the 'S' representing
"Stadtbahn" could also be well be on the money.

The numbering may well just match into whatever computer system
TransAdelaide use for their rostering or servicing, or their asset number in
the TransportSA system.

Interestingly, when Pengelleys were building the H's, the MTT hadn't decided
on the numbers that the H's would carry, so the components were stamped and
identified by alphabet rather than numbers, with 351 being car A, 352 being
car B, etc, etc. This was 'discovered' during the restoration of H 360 (car
J) at St Kilda, and subsequently confirmed on components on the trams that
were refurbished at All Transport. All other Adelaide cars seem to have
been built with their number known at the time of building.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't make any difference, it is simply
just interesting to try to find out why, so that the reason for the
selection of numbers and classification can become part of the history too.

Kym

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From:TramsDownUnder@... [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of John Wayman
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2005 7:25 PM
To:TramsDownUnder@...
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

There doesn't have to be a reason why. Somebody makes a decision in their
job and that is that. Historical precedent doesn't come into it. Records are
usually archived after one or two years, and thrown out after five years
these days.

For example, I remember meeting the guy that set up the original 3 zone
system in Melbourne. The colours Yellow for zone 1 and Blue for zone 2 were
his kids school colours. He asked a co-worker "What colour should he use for
Zone 3?", and the person responded "Any shit colour." So that is why zone 3
tickets were Brown for many years and the Yellow and Blue live on to this
very day!

This is a true story,

Cheers

John Wayman

----- Original Message -----

From: Peter mailto:[email protected]

To:TramsDownUnder@...

Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

Hello Kym.

I am not sure why the Numbering starts at 101, i will see if someone at work
knows the reason why.

Regards: Peter (trains46).

----- Original Message -----

From: Kym Smith mailto:[email protected]

To:TramsDownUnder@...

Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:22 AM

Subject: RE: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

It just seems to be a bit strange skipping so many of the letters, unless it
represented something like 'S'ervice fleet or something. In that style of
classification, 'H' could then represent 'H'eritage.

In terms of the numbering, starting at 101 is also puzzling. Does this
somehow fit into TransportSA's fleet numbering?

Kym

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From:TramsDownUnder@... [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2005 5:03 PM
To:TramsDownUnder@...
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

Kym.

I am not sure what it stands for, but that is the CLASSIFICATION that the
New Trams have been given.

Regards: Peter (trains46).

----- Original Message -----

From: Kym Smith mailto:[email protected]

To:TramsDownUnder@...

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:33 PM

Subject: RE: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

Does 'S' stand for anything?

Kym

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From:TramsDownUnder@... [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 5:21 PM
To:TramsDownUnder@...
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

Hello to All.

The letter "S" is the Official Classification that has been given to the New
Adelaide Trams.

As far as i know, the "S" Class Numbers start from 101, as there will be 11
New Sets, as to when we

get all of the New Trams.

So far, we have 2 New Sets at the Tram depot (Nos. 101 and 102).

Regards: Peter (trains46).

----- Original Message -----

From: Kym Smith mailto:[email protected]

To:TramsDownUnder@...

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:57 AM

Subject: RE: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

Where has the 'S' Class classification come from? Is it an official
designation, or just something dreamed up by gunzels?

Kym

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From:TramsDownUnder@... [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2005 10:56 PM
To:TramsDownUnder@...
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

Hi All.

Sorry for the Late Posting, but the following might be of interest.

TA's "H" Type Trams listing

as of Monday 24 November 2004

Non-Refurbs Recent Re-Refurb's -

Currently Not In Use Currently in Use

363 - 375 - 376 - 377 - 379. 351 - 367 - 370 - 374 - 380.

First Lot of Re-Furbs done Resturant Car -

Currently in Use Not In Use

357 - 358 - 361 - 364 - 365 - 378.

368 - 369 - 371 - 372 - 373.

Total of Trams = 21.

Also Note that "H" Type Tram Numbers 351 - 367 - 370 - 374 - 380, are to be
KEPT

for Weekend Workings and Public Holiday Workings besides the Workings with
the

New "S" Class Trams when they come On-Line Mid to Late January 2006.

Regards: Peter (trains46).

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Pearce mailto:[email protected]

To:TramsDownUnder@...

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:04 PM

Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

Hi all,

Can a list be made then of which cars are going to which museums or other
localities/purchasers, please for interest sake?

Bob in Perth

----- Original Message -----

From: Andrew Hall mailto:[email protected]

To:TramsDownUnder@...

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:37 PM

Subject: RE: [TramsDownUnder] Adelaide H class disposals.

357 and 358 I believe are going to Sydney Tramway Museum.

Andrew

Peter Ehrlich norcalrr@...> wrote:

--- Andrew Hall htram373@...> wrote:

> Hi all just a further update on the H car disposals.

> If you could replace S Moore with W2 568 Inc .

> This group is obtaining 368.

> This leaves 361 and 365 not accounted for. Though

> I think one of these cars will be sitting in some

> kind of enclosure at Glenelg for the City of

> Holdfast Bay as a part of a tourist information

> facility. 361 is the unique one as it was the car

> that was partly refurbished at City Depot. The

> prototype.

> I will be in Adelaide from this Sunday after

> having lunch with the Grenda Inspectors on the

> Resturant Tram.

> Andrew

>

How about 357 or 358? Did I miss something here?

Milantram

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