Re: Faster City Street
  Ron Stux

Yes, it is good to see you back Richard. Brings back happy memories of our
afternoon together back in 2022.

Cheers

Ron

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 5:23 AM 'Richard Youl' via TramsDownUnder < tramsdownunder@...> wrote:

> 1) Unfortunately the standard of Melbourne tram driving is frequently

> “rough as guts”. I make a point of walking through my G C trams when doing

> 70km/h on reservation without holding on, including starting and stopping.

> I hang on in Melbourne as though I was on a bus.

>

> Nevertheless most Sydney drivers are ‘Nervous Nellies’. I have encountered

> just the odd one who would drive as assertively as myself. Incidentally I

> Never had a fall on any tram I drove, but did not muck around either.

>

> 2) Quite a few city stops have been removed in Melbourne but in my opinion

> to save the cost of building raised platforms. The excuse was to speed

> trams but as we often see in my videos, the trams still stop for traffic

> lights where stops used to be, especially in the city.

>

> 3) The question should be ‘how many seats should be sacrificed to save a

> few seconds loading at a handful of city and other busy stops?’ This isn’t

> Europe where no seats would still get passengers as less people own cars,

> or can take them to town.

>

> The lack of end doors on E class is perpetuating the error of Ws where

> people won’t stand at the car ends for fear of getting trapped and unable

> to get off. The Z3 learnt from that mistake on the Z1 and Z2, fitting the

> little end door.

>

> Take these few postings as rare one-offs. I have more to do than argue

> with some people who know everything.

>

> Richard

>

> > On 19 Mar 2024, at 5:12 pm, 'David Batho' via TramsDownUnder <

>tramsdownunder@...> wrote:

> >

> > Observations:

> >

> > 1) Melbourne trams seem to be driven with more ‘verve’, accelerating

> away from stops quite rapidly, whilst Sydney seems to be a little more

> relaxed in style, with no sharp acceleration. Is this because the CAF trams

> cannot do this, or because the drivers are instructed to drive that way (to

> avoid the possibly of passengers falling over?)?

> >

> > 2) Stop spacing seems to be roughly about the same in Sydney and

> Melbourne. Is there a standard for this?

> >

> > 3) How much of a difference does the numbers of doors available for

> loading and unloading make to transit times when comparing Sydney and

> Melbourne? [I’m thinking of comparisons like toast racks v saloon cars, or

> Bradifield cars (In multi-door form) v later single-deckers, or single v

> double deckers, in Sydney, or Tait/Swing Door v Harris in Melbourne.]

> >

> > Thanks for this, Richard.

> >

> > Good to see you back and posting.

> >

> > David

> >

> >

> >

> >> On 19 Mar 2024, at 2:15 pm, 'Richard Youl' via TramsDownUnder <

>tramsdownunder@...> wrote:

> >>

> >> With the interest shown in the 96 vs L2 video, I decided to see which

> city street has the faster trams. The Sydney trip uses a video different

> from last time.

> >>

> >> Which City Tram is Faster? George St or Swanston St?

> >> https://youtu.be/6cFyHG5SOWM

> >>

> >>

> >> Richard

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