Did you actually look at the video? It seems not. Apart from flying through the Arts Precinct stop which gave Swanson St a slight advantage, both trams stopped at all tram stops. And when the George Street tram got to Circular Quay, both trams had stopped at exactly 7 tram stops each including start and finish. How can I make it any more even?
A major hindrance to Trams in Sydney is speed limits set by bureaucrats who appear to have never driven a tram. And bit by bit, speed limit signs are being installed here and there in Melbourne. Without GPS supervision I’m not sure too many drivers take much notice of these, not yet anyway.
As for matching distances, Haymarket to Circular Quay is within a couple of hundred metres of the Arts Precinct to Melbourne University. See below, do your own Google measurements if you don’t believe me.
Comparing Melbourne with any European Tramway is far more lopsided than comparing Sydney with Melbourne. When did you say you were last down there?
Richard
On 19 Mar 2024, at 3:22 pm, TP historyworks@...> wrote:
I'd say, Richard, that you need an example in Melbourne with the same distance and same number of intermediate compulsory stops, which this example isn't. It's difficult to compare when one system has optional stops, though I assume in the Melbourne CBD trams would be stopping at all stops? Can you time an example of a trip covering 2.5 km via Swanston Street with roughly the same number of intermediate stops?
The traffic light priority seems to have some benefit in Sydney now. The George Street trip between Haymarket and Circular Quay is now tabled at 13 minutes northbound and 11 minutes southbound, with 5 intermediate compulsory stops.
If I apply a Prague benchmark, this isn't too bad. Choosing a trip on Line 22 past my old abode that I used regularly, 2.5 km between
Karlovo náměstí and
Ruská, with 5 compulsory intermediate stops and some non-prioritised traffic lights, it takes 10 minutes. It's covered in the first 7:40 minutes of this video (the author has trimmed out the stop dwells). Sorry about the quality, it's 14 years old and the only one I could find covering this specific section.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q3kQTLA3RI
It also becomes quite twisty after the first straight section and shows the visitor why it's worth staying on a tram out into the suburbs to fully appreciate the performance. The difference between these rides and a Sydney Citadis or CAF is a significant clue to the journey time differences between the two systems. It would be good to see a Melbourne ride closer to the same distance/number of stops parameters as these two examples.
Tony P
On Tuesday 19 March 2024 at 14:17:25 UTC+11 Richard Youl wrote:
With the interest shown in the 96 vs L2 video, I decided to see which city street has the faster trams. The Sydney trip uses a video different from last time.
Which City Tram is Faster? George St or Swanston St?
https://youtu.be/6cFyHG5SOWM
Richard
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