We're talking about average speed though, not maximum speed. The Prague
system has a speed limit of only 50 km/h and it didn't have much traffic
light priority until recently. Slow and steady, yet quick journeys. It's in
the driving style. Trams with 100% adhesion and swivelling bogies helps.
Tony P
On Friday 15 March 2024 at 13:14:21 UTC+11 Richard Youl wrote:
> Yes, not what people may expect. It proves slow and steady wins the race.
> If Melbourne ever gets tram priority at lights (no doubt the traffic light
> programmers will want to keep their record of delaying trams as much as
> possible for over 80 years), it would easily beat Sydney.
>
> Gold Coast kills both doing 11.5 km in 32 minutes. I expect that Canberra
> would be similar.
>
> Richard
>
> On 15 Mar 2024, at 7:27 am, 'David Batho' via TramsDownUnder <
>tramsdo...@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Richard. Surprised to see that Sydney is faster, although not by
> much!
>
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 15 Mar 2024, at 12:36 am, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>
>
> It didn't help that my view of trams was formed by this, before I returned
> to experience modern tram operation in Australia (and this was filmed in a
> heritage tourist tram, never mind a regular service!):
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5tqfuikKC8
>
> This ruined me for life.
>
> Gold Coast and Canberra have had a crack at something better, though
> helped by longer stop spacings and priority, but otherwise why are our
> Australian trams driven like hearses?
>
> Tony P
>
> On Thursday 14 March 2024 at 20:14:10 UTC+11 TP wrote:
>
>> A tram with dedicated tram lanes and the same number of stops should take
>> about 20 to 22 minutes, 25 at the absolute outside, to cover 8.5 km.
>> They're both terrible operations, but Melbourne has the excuse of a number
>> of legacy institutional constraints, including lack of priority. Sydney L2
>> was designed and built as a new line and has no excuses other than
>> incompetence.
>>
>> Also, I don't think there's generally a tradition of quick public
>> transport journeys in either city and the status quo is sort of accepted,
>> except by those few who have experienced better systems elsewhere. Sydney
>> is now getting an eye-opener with the metro and the technology revolution
>> on the ferries that have both speeded up journeys immensely. Light rail,
>> buses and suburban trains will doubtless continue to amble along as they
>> always have. The old tram system was faster.
>>
>> Tony P
>> (who finds riding Sydney's light rail is like watching grass grow)
>>
>> On Thursday 14 March 2024 at 14:46:30 UTC+11 Richard Youl wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Which Tram is Slower? Sydney L2 or Melbourne 96?
>>> https://youtu.be/gJ7st9dn0as
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
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