Re: Re: Video
  TP

We're talking about average speed though, not maximum speed. The Prague
system has a speed limit of only 50 km/h and it didn't have much traffic
light priority until recently. Slow and steady, yet quick journeys. It's in
the driving style. Trams with 100% adhesion and swivelling bogies helps.

Tony P

On Friday 15 March 2024 at 13:14:21 UTC+11 Richard Youl wrote:

> Yes, not what people may expect. It proves slow and steady wins the race.

> If Melbourne ever gets tram priority at lights (no doubt the traffic light

> programmers will want to keep their record of delaying trams as much as

> possible for over 80 years), it would easily beat Sydney.

>

> Gold Coast kills both doing 11.5 km in 32 minutes. I expect that Canberra

> would be similar.

>

> Richard

>

> On 15 Mar 2024, at 7:27 am, 'David Batho' via TramsDownUnder <

>tramsdo...@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks, Richard. Surprised to see that Sydney is faster, although not by

> much!

>

>

> David

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On 15 Mar 2024, at 12:36 am, TP histor...@...> wrote:

>

> 

> It didn't help that my view of trams was formed by this, before I returned

> to experience modern tram operation in Australia (and this was filmed in a

> heritage tourist tram, never mind a regular service!):

>

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5tqfuikKC8

>

> This ruined me for life.

>

> Gold Coast and Canberra have had a crack at something better, though

> helped by longer stop spacings and priority, but otherwise why are our

> Australian trams driven like hearses?

>

> Tony P

>

> On Thursday 14 March 2024 at 20:14:10 UTC+11 TP wrote:

>

>> A tram with dedicated tram lanes and the same number of stops should take

>> about 20 to 22 minutes, 25 at the absolute outside, to cover 8.5 km.

>> They're both terrible operations, but Melbourne has the excuse of a number

>> of legacy institutional constraints, including lack of priority. Sydney L2

>> was designed and built as a new line and has no excuses other than

>> incompetence.

>>

>> Also, I don't think there's generally a tradition of quick public

>> transport journeys in either city and the status quo is sort of accepted,

>> except by those few who have experienced better systems elsewhere. Sydney

>> is now getting an eye-opener with the metro and the technology revolution

>> on the ferries that have both speeded up journeys immensely. Light rail,

>> buses and suburban trains will doubtless continue to amble along as they

>> always have. The old tram system was faster.

>>

>> Tony P

>> (who finds riding Sydney's light rail is like watching grass grow)

>>

>> On Thursday 14 March 2024 at 14:46:30 UTC+11 Richard Youl wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Which Tram is Slower? Sydney L2 or Melbourne 96?

>>> https://youtu.be/gJ7st9dn0as

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Richard

>>>

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