Re: Re: One for the brains trust!
  Steven Altham

I conducted & drove 840 at East Preston depot 1987/1989 very bright lights
inside

On Sat, 9 Mar. 2024, 9:34 am Jeremy Wainwright, jewiwa@...> wrote:

> The answer to this intriguing question would presumably appear in the

> individual car records kept at the workshops. Have they disappeared without

> trace?

>

> JWW

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> *From:* 'Mick Duncan' via TramsDownUnder tramsdownunder@...>

> *Sent:* Saturday, 9 March 2024 12:56 AM

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> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: One for the brains trust!

>

> Gday All

>

> I used to drive 840 when I was at Kew

>

> It had an extra light curcuit and was nice and bright inside

>

> Cheers, Mick

>

> On 6/03/2024 9:05 pm,matt.aus...@... wrote:

>

> I forgot to mention, I’d imagine that changing pole placement in relation

> to bolsters would’ve raised concerns as to how the cars with poles mounted

> further fore/aft would track through frogs. I can’t imagine that there’d be

> much desire to redesign the overhead to suit cars with modified pole

> placement, while still working on standard cars.

>

> On Wednesday 6 March 2024 at 20:58:21 UTC+11matt.aus...@... wrote:

>

> 840 seemed to have been rebuilt a number of times. First was in 1949 to

> test the dropcentre layout planned for PCC 980, then again in 1976, when it

> gained a lined ceiling and dropcentre seating changed to the standard

> layout. It seems unusual that something as substantial as a pole location

> change with associated trolley bridge work would be done on a service car

> outside of other work. Perhaps the unusual pole placement was done in 1976

> to test ideas for Z2 or Z3 cars?

>

> The following pic of 840 posted by David Featherstone appears to be around

> 1970, and the poles are in the standard location.

> https://tdu.to/i/74368

>

> This pic, also posted by David Featherstone, also shows the car in 1977

> with the poles in the standard location, particularly clear given the

> amount of pole forward of the trolley hook at the far end, compared with

> that posted by Mal.

> https://tdu.to/i/70908

>

> As such, it seems strange that it’d be converted in 1976 and back before

> early 1977. Anything is possible.

>

> Possibly the work was done earlier, when 1041 was built and there were

> concerns about its pole placement. Looking at the pole placement on 1041 in

> David McLoughlin’s pic of its first day in traffic, the poles appear to be

> mounted basically above the inner wheelsets as on the W series cars, but

> the ends of the poles don’t stick out as much, due to the fact that the

> 1041 is six feet longer than a W on the same wheelbase.

> https://tdu.to/i/79774

>

> It’s a mystery.

> On Wednesday 6 March 2024 at 17:35:35 UTC+11 Mal Rowe wrote:

>

> The attached pic of Melbourne 840 dates from some time between the 1960s

> and 1970s.

>

> It shows some extra long trolley poles fitted.

>

> In the pattern of the current discussion of current collection ... (pun

> intended) ... Why?

>

> Mal Rowe who does not know the answer

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