When I asked my original question "How many" I was thinking of electric
trams that ran on MMTB tracks -- including visitors, but not counting
return visits from ex-Melbourne trams!

Re CW5s, my impression is that a block of 39 numbers (681-719) was
allocated, but only 5 were built, leaving 34 numbers unused (700/701 later
being allocated to VR52/53).

I could think of a couple of other questions.

(a) What trams with MMTB fleet numbers were renumbered in MMTB passenger
service? (I exclude those renumbered as service stock: 197 as 9W, 206 and
214 as freight cars 19 and 17). The W1 that ran as 422 was, according to
Destination City, originally built as 364, but I don't know whether it ever
carried that number in traffic. X2 680 was originally 674, but that number
was reassigned to the extra W5 car, following on from 670-673. And numbers
given for building but never used on the completed cars, recent
reproductions on TDU of drawings for the first 2 W cars, 219/220, label the
first as 217 n-- but 217/218, as we know, were given to the two Birneys
before the Ws emerged. Trams which overlapped with numbers of the Z class
were assigned an extra initial 1 but I don't know how many actually carried
than number (SW2 275 did, as 1275, the 1 being above the 2!).

(b) How many Melbourne trams were sold to other operators for operation
(not museums)? 127-130 ex-HTT fleet, originally PMTT 21-24, were sold to
MTT Adelaide in 1927 and became part of their D type (one survives in the
St Kilda museum fleet); others of course went to Geelong, Ballarat or
Bendigo.

Hal Cain

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 5:16 PM Mal Rowe mal.rowe@...> wrote:

> On 09/03/2024 14:31, Mal Rowe wrote: A list far from complete!

>

>

> Thanks to several correspondents on and off list, here's version 2 with

> corrections and additions.

> I look forward to your suggestions for version 3!

>

>

> Up to the last of the Ws, the number is 1040 less 10 (Y1s cancelled)

> less 38 (CW5s cancelled) = 992

>

> Zs and As reused numbers 1 to 300 = 300

>

> There were 132 B class, 41 C class, 59 D class and now 100 E class.

>

> So I make that 1660 passenger trams.

>

> If you want to include 'visiting trams' you could add a few more:

> Bendigo 17, Port Adelaide 302, Sydney 1808, Ballarat horse tram No 1,

> The Portland motorised grip car (not an ex-Melbourne tram!), Milan 1692,

> Berlin 3007, Eurotram 018, Combino Plus C008, Adelaide Flexity 111 - and

> probably VR50 and VR51 which would have been tested on the tracks after

> the MMTB converted them to one man operation! That could be 12 more.

>

> I have omitted the ex Melbourne trams now based in Ballarat and Bendigo

> on the basis that they were just 'visiting home'.

>

> Have I missed any more? Did any of the trams built for Hong Kong get a

> Melbourne test run?

>

> Without going into details, I reckon the total number of operational

> works trams has been 23 plus a few trailers.

>

> Mal Rowe whose narrow tidy mind would prefer the highest passenger car

> number to be 1760 rather than 6100

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