this film should be preserved as an example of the noise of rubber tyres on a road. I reckon a PCC with good wheels on good track would be quieter.
Dudley
On 26/09/2023 4:48 am, John Wayman wrote:
> I travelled on a trackless train today in Victoria on Gozo Island in Malta. It seems to be a well-developed technology in use all over Europe, and a similar idea to the trackless tram.
>
> Didn't Perth have trackless tram already, based on their first-generation trams?
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> *From:* 'David Batho' via TramsDownUnder tramsdownunder@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2023 1:32:33 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Pseudo tram arrives in Perth
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>> On 25 Sep 2023, at 21:32, David Batho dbatho@...> wrote:
>>
>> Looks very similar to the system used in Venice.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 25 Sep 2023, at 20:59, Tony Galloway arg@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> It must be an “audible safety device”, like unmuffled exhaust pipes on a Harley-Davidson.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>> On 25 Sep 2023, at 20:21, TP historyworks@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All that effort, just to invent a trolleybus with added noise. At least "the silent death" wouldn't have befallen anybody who got in front of one of these mobile power saws.
>>>>
>>>> Tony P
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 20:13:10 UTC+10 Tony Galloway wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well yeah, I saw this malicious expertise gutting process from
>>>> the inside with NSW railways.
>>>>
>>>> With regard to these rubber tyred bogus bahn things one of the
>>>> leading shills for them here is Professor Peter Newman, who
>>>> claims to be a “sustainable development expert” (yeah right)
>>>> but is easily gulled by pointless novelty gadgets inferior to
>>>> what they purport to replace. Newman supported proper LR once,
>>>> but now has lost the plot with this endorsement of “trackless
>>>> trams”.
>>>>
>>>> This is the fool who advised Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore
>>>> about the wonders of the “wireless” tram, which meant Sydney
>>>> ended up with the patent restricted APS on George St.
>>>> ThenTfNSW, another repository of non-expertise, embraced
>>>> inferior battery/supercap operation for Newcastle and Parramatta.
>>>>
>>>> As Newman doesn’t understand the superiority of fixed
>>>> electrification over storage or surface contact systems it’s
>>>> hardly surprising he doesn’t understand the importance of
>>>> rails, or their role in differentiating a tram from a bus. Once
>>>> that door was opened every tout with some
>>>> solution-in-search-of-a-problem snake oil to peddle turned up
>>>> to shill their dubious wares to the credulous non-experts doing
>>>> the buying. Thus we have the situation where rather than the
>>>> initially expensive but durable and sustainable option of trams
>>>> on rails with wires is adopted it is usurped by an initially
>>>> cheaper “alternative”, and by the time that fails and has to be
>>>> replaced with the real thing the culprits responsible have
>>>> “moved on” to where they can’t be held to account for their
>>>> actions.
>>>>
>>>> Like here, where another solution-in-search-of-a-problem became
>>>> the problem :
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXAvuw4wX48&ab_channel=ErebosSan
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXAvuw4wX48&ab_channel=ErebosSan
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Sep 2023, at 16:49, Mark Skinner eme...@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sort of yes. However, governments have degraded their
>>>>> expertise so much that they have zero in house expertise in
>>>>> reality, especially when dealing with anything new. So,
>>>>> previously, the public, through taxes, paid for in-house
>>>>> knowledge of transport technology. Now, that in-house
>>>>> knowledge no longer exists. The specialists were "let go". So
>>>>> now, up comes something new. It sounds plausible, and it is a
>>>>> bus, so it IS plausible, so how to evaluate it? Previously,
>>>>> ask the in-house experts. Now, with no in-house expertise, a
>>>>> trial is also reasonable. So, who should pay? Why not the
>>>>> governments that shoved expertise out the door, often
>>>>> contemptuously? So, while yeah, this is over the top, it's the
>>>>> consequence of decisions made by governments and endorsed by
>>>>> taxpayers in voting for those governments repeatedly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Skinner
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Sept 2023, 12:36 pm Tony Galloway,
>>>>> a...@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Grifters are gunna grift….
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 Sep 2023, at 19:30, TP histor...@...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the City of Stirling has received funding from the
>>>>>> Federal govt for a business case and trial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 17:32:12 UTC+10 Matthew
>>>>>> Geier wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the same vehicle the promo pictures show the
>>>>>> body swinging into the adjacent traffic lane as it
>>>>>> 'crosses over'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the last few days I rode the 'old style'
>>>>>> trackless tram in two different Swiss cities - Hess
>>>>>> biarticulated trolley buses. Also equipped with a
>>>>>> fair capacity battery, if they lose the poles, they
>>>>>> just keep going to the next location that has 'pole
>>>>>> locator hats' on the overhead. (Which may be the
>>>>>> terminal loop).
>>>>>> They were also using them on non-electrified routes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Sept 2023 at 08:01, TP
>>>>>> histor...@...
>>>>>> http://smartchat.net.au/> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A demonstration "trackless tram" from China has
>>>>>> arrived in Perth for testing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.stirling.wa.gov.au/your-city/news/2023/september-%281%29/trackless-tram-arrives-in-stirling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony P
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