Like everything, that's true if you use technology inappropriately.
What has triggered my suspicion about government technological incompetence
is that this technology would actually seem to fit the Adelaide O-Bahn. So,
why not try it somewhere that, on the face of it looks like a good idea. On
the O-Bahn, it's a slightly incremental technology with much smaller risk.
On Tue, 26 Sept 2023, 10:25 am Tony Galloway, arg@...> wrote:
> That’s just like the kiddie ride trains that used to run around the
> Darling Harbour area in Sydney.
>
> Ok for amusement parks, not much else.
>
> Tony
>
> On 26 Sep 2023, at 04:48, John Wayman john.wayman@...> wrote:
>
> I travelled on a trackless train today in Victoria on Gozo Island in
> Malta. It seems to be a well-developed technology in use all over Europe,
> and a similar idea to the trackless tram.
>
> Didn't Perth have trackless tram already, based on their first-generation
> trams?
>
> Cheers
> John Wayman
>
>
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> *From:* 'David Batho' via TramsDownUnder tramsdownunder@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2023 1:32:33 PM
> *To:*tramsdownunder@... tramsdownunder@...>
> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Pseudo tram arrives in Perth
>
> 😂
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 25 Sep 2023, at 21:32, David Batho dbatho@...> wrote:
>
> Looks very similar to the system used in Venice.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 25 Sep 2023, at 20:59, Tony Galloway arg@...> wrote:
>
> It must be an “audible safety device”, like unmuffled exhaust pipes on a
> Harley-Davidson.
>
> Tony
>
> On 25 Sep 2023, at 20:21, TP historyworks@...> wrote:
>
> All that effort, just to invent a trolleybus with added noise. At least
> "the silent death" wouldn't have befallen anybody who got in front of one
> of these mobile power saws.
>
> Tony P
>
> On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 20:13:10 UTC+10 Tony Galloway wrote:
>
> Well yeah, I saw this malicious expertise gutting process from the inside
> with NSW railways.
>
> With regard to these rubber tyred bogus bahn things one of the leading
> shills for them here is Professor Peter Newman, who claims to be a
> “sustainable development expert” (yeah right) but is easily gulled by
> pointless novelty gadgets inferior to what they purport to replace. Newman
> supported proper LR once, but now has lost the plot with this endorsement
> of “trackless trams”.
>
> This is the fool who advised Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore about the
> wonders of the “wireless” tram, which meant Sydney ended up with the patent
> restricted APS on George St. Then TfNSW, another repository of non-
> expertise, embraced inferior battery/supercap operation for Newcastle and
> Parramatta.
>
> As Newman doesn’t understand the superiority of fixed electrification over
> storage or surface contact systems it’s hardly surprising he doesn’t
> understand the importance of rails, or their role in differentiating a tram
> from a bus. Once that door was opened every tout with some
> solution-in-search-of-a-problem snake oil to peddle turned up to shill
> their dubious wares to the credulous non-experts doing the buying. Thus we
> have the situation where rather than the initially expensive but durable
> and sustainable option of trams on rails with wires is adopted it is
> usurped by an initially cheaper “alternative”, and by the time that fails
> and has to be replaced with the real thing the culprits responsible have
> “moved on” to where they can’t be held to account for their actions.
>
> Like here, where another solution-in-search-of-a-problem became the
> problem :
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXAvuw4wX48&ab_channel=ErebosSan
>
> Tony
>
> On 25 Sep 2023, at 16:49, Mark Skinner eme...@...> wrote:
>
> Sort of yes. However, governments have degraded their expertise so much
> that they have zero in house expertise in reality, especially when dealing
> with anything new. So, previously, the public, through taxes, paid for
> in-house knowledge of transport technology. Now, that in-house knowledge no
> longer exists. The specialists were "let go". So now, up comes something
> new. It sounds plausible, and it is a bus, so it IS plausible, so how to
> evaluate it? Previously, ask the in-house experts. Now, with no in-house
> expertise, a trial is also reasonable. So, who should pay? Why not the
> governments that shoved expertise out the door, often contemptuously? So,
> while yeah, this is over the top, it's the consequence of decisions made by
> governments and endorsed by taxpayers in voting for those governments
> repeatedly.
>
> Mark Skinner
>
> On Mon, 25 Sept 2023, 12:36 pm Tony Galloway, a...@...> wrote:
>
> Grifters are gunna grift….
>
> Tony
>
> On 24 Sep 2023, at 19:30, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the City of Stirling has received funding from the Federal govt for a
> business case and trial.
>
> Tony P
>
> On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 17:32:12 UTC+10 Matthew Geier wrote:
>
> This is the same vehicle the promo pictures show the body swinging into
> the adjacent traffic lane as it 'crosses over'?
>
> Over the last few days I rode the 'old style' trackless tram in two
> different Swiss cities - Hess biarticulated trolley buses. Also equipped
> with a fair capacity battery, if they lose the poles, they just keep going
> to the next location that has 'pole locator hats' on the overhead. (Which
> may be the terminal loop).
> They were also using them on non-electrified routes.
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Sept 2023 at 08:01, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>
> A demonstration "trackless tram" from China has arrived in Perth for
> testing.
>
>
> https://www.stirling.wa.gov.au/your-city/news/2023/september-%281%29/trackless-tram-arrives-in-stirling
>
> Tony P
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