Re: Working life [Was:Dublin and Cork tram orders planned]
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The Czechs are still good tram builders and very adept at recycling trams!

Tony P

On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 13:04:53 UTC+10 Hal Cain wrote:

> But sometimes the design work proves inadequate in practice -- on the

> train railway, consider the now-notorious yaw damper failures on new UK

> trains designed and built by Hitachi and by CAF; it turned out IIRC that

> the frame members to which the yaw damper brackets are attached weren't

> strong enough to resist the constantly varying forces from the dampers

> attached to the bogies. The design engineers, under pressure to

> reduce material and mass to the bare minimum, cut it too fine. Fatigue and

> materials science in the practical world...

>

> Hal Cain

>

> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 11:50 AMpeterm...@... peterm...@...>

> wrote:

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>> A computer model is only as good as the data fed into it. Garbage in

>> Garbage out. The skill is in the engineer checking via other methods that

>> the model is giving sensible results. Usually working it out from first

>> principles.

>>

>> On Friday, 8 September 2023 at 16:56:59 UTC+10 Matthew Geier wrote:

>>

>>> Just proves that even with all modern computing tools at a

>>> structural engineer's disposal, you will need to have some 'feel' for the

>>> craft.

>>>

>>> Engineers are graduating from Uni these days with blind faith in

>>> computer models. They are wizards at using CAD programs. However, they

>>> don't appear to have any 'feel for the art'. And faced with their design

>>> failing in the field they will argue that reality is wrong as the computer

>>> model said it would work.

>>> The engineering school I work for had this issue - they had a subject

>>> where the students used CAD to design a simple pump. The twist was they

>>> then got the mech workshop to make them. A significant number didn't

>>> actually work. Apparently, the students complained about being marked down

>>> when the physical item didn't work properly! The subject was primarily a

>>> CAD subject, the pump build was intended to demonstrate the limitations of

>>> computer models. Too many students just 'didn't get it'.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 08:42, Mal Rowe mal....@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>> On 08/09/2023 16:37, Matthew Geier wrote:

>>>> > If they design for 20 years, you can expect expensive structural

>>>> > augmentation will be needed at 20 years.

>>>>

>>>> Unless the designers worked for Siemens or CAF!

>>>>

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