It doesn't upset me because I'll willingly jump into the fray, but it has
been made clear over time by many members and moderators that they are
upset by this forum being dragged off its core subject which is electric
traction, or more specifically trams. I don't particularly relish the idea
that I might have caused people to drop out because of something I've
written. There are forums that accommodate a broader range of transport
discussion, like ATDB and others. I really don't think that these posts
about ferries, buses etc are helping this forum along - unless they're
specifically electric.
Tony P
On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 18:19:49 UTC+11 Tony Galloway wrote:
> “Do you enjoy being an agent provocateur and upsetting me Greg?”
>
> There, fixed it for you.
>
> I have no problem whatsoever with these posts - they help put things in
> context.
>
> And it saves me doing it.
>
> Tony
>
> On 20 Mar 2023, at 18:08, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>
> It's the new boats that are vastly more efficient, usually the case when
> you compare a new, modern piece of transport equipment with one forty years
> old. The operating costs of the Freshwaters are horrendous and they spent
> $7 million refurbishing just one of them, all to appease a bunch of
> lobbyists at Manly (marginal seat, leading to need for pork barrelling),
> many of whom probably never commute on the ferries. That money would have
> almost paid for another new Emerald. All made more crazy by the fact that
> both regular passengers and tourists prefer the Emeralds, but of course
> when there's a political agenda afoot never mind what the public wants. A
> big number of commuters are also happy to pay more money to travel on the
> Manly Fast Ferry, which is a privately run service also using cats.
> Everybody prefers a fast, frequent service, which is the normal expectation
> for public transport. The whole affair is a scandalous political game and
> not originally the fault of the government which shouldn't have given way
> on it.
>
> Another off-topic generated by Greg's posts. Do you enjoy being an agent
> provocateur and upsetting the apple cart Greg? How about sticking to
> electric traction or buzz off to ATDB or similar where a broader range of
> transport is accommodated?
>
> Tony P
>
> On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 15:24:20 UTC+11peterm...@... wrote:
>
>> Sounds stupid, stop the in efficent run and run the efficent older boats
>> and get more!!!
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 15:16:14 UTC+11bblun...@... wrote:
>>
>>> When the Freshie runs, it is leaves from the opposite side of the wharf
>>> at CQ, a couple of minutes after the Emerald. (This is necessary to enable
>>> the Emerald to get to Manly, turn around its passengers and depart before
>>> the Freshie arrives). It is clearly in view of intending passengers, with
>>> those signs clearly visible. The crews also announce that the Freshie is
>>> slower.
>>>
>>> The majority of passengers choose the faster Emerald service, but the
>>> STMF tragics have a conspiracy theory that Transdev is deliberately
>>> preventing them from catching the Freshie.
>>>
>>> There is only one wharf normally available at Manly, so both type can't
>>> be moored there together.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 02:55:13 pm AEDT, TP <
>>>histor...@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, if there is an Emerald and a Freshwater at the wharf at the same
>>> time, people can choose which one to ride. There is a sign advising that
>>> the Freshwater is the slower trip, only to head off complaints later that
>>> the passenger didn't realise.
>>>
>>> Tony P
>>>
>>> On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 14:34:02 UTC+11peterm...@... wrote:
>>>
>>> GAH!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 14:01:34 UTC+11 Tony Galloway wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey hey, Perrottet
>>>
>>> How many koalas did you kill today?
>>>
>>> Just making a gratuitous comment.
>>>
>>> As for ferry “choice”, what happens?
>>>
>>> An Emerald and a Freshwater ferry both dock at Manly wharf at the same
>>> time, and the commuters get to pick their ride?
>>>
>>> Jeez, these liberal electorates get it good. Doesn’t mean they’re still
>>> going to vote for them though.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On 20 Mar 2023, at 12:38, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course they never mention that the Australian-built Freshwater Manly
>>> ferries had control system problems that took over twenty years to fully
>>> resolve. There were some spectacular groundings out of that one. Memories
>>> are short, or selective, in politics. Meanwhile, the travelling public is
>>> voting with its feet and overwhelmingly uses the Emeralds. After all, if
>>> you have a choice between a faster, more frequent public transport service
>>> and slower, less frequent one, which one do you choose? It's not rocket
>>> science.
>>>
>>> Tony P
>>>
>>> On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 12:20:50 UTC+11 Greg Sutherland wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/new-manly-ferry-suffers-another-steering-failure-on-sydney-harbour-20230320-p5ctjb.html
>>>
>>> One of the new Manly ferries has suffered another steering failure on
>>> Sydney Harbour, forcing the operator to pull the troubled vessel from
>>> service amid ongoing concerns about defects plaguing the three catamarans
>>> purchased to replace larger Freshwater ferries.
>>>
>>> The failure of the Fairlight’s steering occurred at about 7.30pm on
>>> Sunday evening while the ferry was sailing from Circular Quay to Manly, and
>>> resulted in it swerving to port, according to multiple sources. The ferry
>>> was carrying about 150 passengers.
>>>
>>> Following the incident, the Chinese-built catamaran ferry was removed
>>> from regular passenger service and is now docked at the Balmain shipyard.
>>> [image: The Fairlight ferry has suffered another steering failure.]
>>>
>>> The Fairlight ferry has suffered another steering failure.Credit:Edwina
>>> Pickles
>>>
>>> The latest incident takes the number of steering failures
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/high-number-of-steering-failures-involving-new-manly-ferries-revealed-20221202-p5c35r.html
>>> involving the Fairlight to nine since the government-owned vessel
>>> entered service in late 2021. It has sparked calls for transport
>>> authorities to remove all three of the second-generation Emerald-class
>>> ferries from service.
>>>
>>> The Fairlight last suffered a steering failure
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/new-manly-ferry-suffers-another-steering-failure-near-sydney-heads-20221120-p5bzop.html
>>> while carrying passengers near the entrance to Sydney Harbour in
>>> November, less than two months after a similar incident
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/manly-ferries-removed-from-service-after-steering-failure-near-cruise-ship-20220926-p5bl6m.html
>>> forced ferry operator Transdev to urgently pull the catamaran and two
>>> sister vessels from service.
>>> Related Article
>>> [image: The Fairlight ferry was pulled from service two weeks ago after
>>> suffering another steering failure.]
>>>
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/high-number-of-steering-failures-involving-new-manly-ferries-revealed-20221202-p5c35r.html
>>> Public transport
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/topic/sydney-public-transport-62q
>>> High number of steering failures involving new Manly ferries revealed
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/high-number-of-steering-failures-involving-new-manly-ferries-revealed-20221202-p5c35r.html
>>>
>>> Labor transport spokeswoman Jo Haylen said the steering failures
>>> involving the Fairlight were a serious risk to passenger safety.
>>>
>>> “It is only thanks to good luck that a passenger or crew member on one
>>> of these ferries has not been seriously injured, or worse,” she said. “What
>>> is it going to take before action is taken?”
>>>
>>> The three new Manly ferries have been plagued with defects and steering
>>> failures since they entered service on the busy route in late 2021. The
>>> Fairlight’s sister vessel, the Clontarf, suffered an engine failure
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/new-manly-ferry-suffers-catastrophic-engine-failure-on-sydney-harbour-20230207-p5cikt.html
>>> during regular safety drills last month, requiring the engine to later
>>> be replaced.
>>> Advertisement
>>>
>>> The problems have reinforced concerns the new ferries cannot handle
>>> conditions on the Manly-Circular Quay route nearly as well as the larger
>>> Freshwater vessels
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/end-of-an-era-last-sailing-set-for-manly-ferry-20211007-p58y0b.html
>>> they are meant to replace. The government plans to retire two of the
>>> four Freshwater ferries this year.
>>> Related Article
>>> [image: The Clontarf is wet docked at the Balmain shipyards after
>>> suffering a catastrophic engine failure.]
>>>
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/new-manly-ferry-suffers-catastrophic-engine-failure-on-sydney-harbour-20230207-p5cikt.html
>>> Public transport
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/topic/sydney-public-transport-62q
>>> ‘There was an almighty noise’: New Manly ferry suffers catastrophic
>>> engine failure
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/new-manly-ferry-suffers-catastrophic-engine-failure-on-sydney-harbour-20230207-p5cikt.html
>>>
>>> Action for Public Transport spokesman Graeme Taylor said all three of
>>> the new Manly ferries should be pulled from service until the cause of the
>>> latest steering failure was known, and the problem fixed.
>>>
>>> Transport for NSW has been approached for comment.
>>>
>>> The Maritime Union of Australia, which represents deck-hands on ferries,
>>> said the transport agency needed to work urgently with Transdev to fix the
>>> problems plaguing the new Manly ferries.
>>>
>>> “They created this mess – they need to now fix it,” the union’s deputy
>>> branch secretary Paul Garrett said. “It is another reason why ferries
>>> should be built in Australia and why the Freshwater ferries should be put
>>> back on the run.”
>>> Transport Minister David Elliott, who is quitting politics after the
>>> state election on Saturday, has also been approached for comment
>>>
>>>
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