Re: Where Sydney’s bus driver shortage is causing the most delays and cancellations
  TP

Transdev buses and Transdev light rail are two different operating
companies that, in spite of their common French ownership, have different
Australian managements. Many of the management and staff of the newly
enlarged private operators are ex STA obviously, a natural career
progression, so there's a bit of STA in many of them and the attitudes of
many of those aren't all that enlightened. As I have inside contact into
that sector, I know well that there are differences between the operators
and it's up to the operators to sort themselves out. For somebody looking
for job though, like any sector, it's a matter of shopping around until you
find a situation that you like. Now's the time to do that, while labour is
in demand.

I spent a number of years working in government (in addition to the private
sector), and I found it pretty horrible and the cause was the same -
management. It's the species, not the sector, but you're more likely to
find good managers in the private sector. One thing I found is that you
were never thanked for your work in the government sector. You were in the
private sector.

Another off-subject topic.

Tony P

On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 17:15:27 UTC+11peterm...@... wrote:

> From a 2 museum members who Applied to Trandev busses, they were treated

> like *SHIT* and bullied out cause they were not fool hardy and capable of

> every bit of crap thrown at them. If they do that to many of their

> recruits they will find they don't get any. Since then once member has got

> a job with a Wollongong bus company and is loving it, the other member is

> now driving L2/L3 trams and ironically found it a completely different

> recruitment attitude in the trams of transdev over the busses. Transdev

> Busses have some what shot themselves in the foot. and I have hard of other

> similar cases across all companies in Sydney.

>

> Peter

>

> On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 13:32:52 UTC+11 Tony Galloway wrote:

>

>> You know I don’t support the ALP, so give up on the whataboutery.

>>

>> As for Michael Costa, I worked for Railcorp while that piece of shit was

>> transport minister, so don’t expect that to cut any mustard either. The

>> last labor government was a failure, which is why it lost that election,

>> but that doesn’t negate any of the criticisms I have of this government.

>> Also, the perpetrators of the worst transport policies, to be specific, of

>> the last labor government, Carr, Costa, Iemma, Tripodi, Obeid etc, are no

>> longer there.

>>

>> I don’t think either of the major parties will have a majority in the

>> next parliament, but one things guaranteed, the next premier will not be

>> Perrottet. Fred Nile’s party has disappeared, the other right wing whack

>> jobs likely to support the coalition are unelectable, and despite optional

>> preferential voting the Teals and independents look like hammering the

>> liberals on the north shore and northern beaches, and maybe the eastern

>> suburbs too. The Greens will hold what they have and are likely to get

>> more. The nationals are likely to be hit in the bush because they are the

>> creatures of the mining and river raping irrigation lobbies. Nothing says

>> “national party” like that Darling river fish kill. There is no guarantee

>> Minns will hold his seat - no tragedy there - so the next premier is by no

>> means certain.

>>

>> As for labor party policies being cut and pasted from Victoria - so what?

>>

>> They obviously worked there, so it’s hardly surprising that the

>> intellectual midgets in Sussex St would look for something easy to copy.

>>

>> And the telegraph “uncovered” this did they?

>>

>> Golly!

>>

>> The hun and the oz “uncovered” Dictator Dan using opinion polls to follow

>> what the real public attitude was to his policies, hardly surprising, but

>> apparently “outrageous” to a media organisation trying to push an opposing

>> bullshit agenda.

>>

>> Funny how the merde-ox rags can “uncover” this stuff, like the Order Of

>> Lenin supposedly awarded to Manning Clark, but can totally evade reporting

>> on the atrocities committed by the last federal government with Robodebt

>> and “uncovered” by the royal commission.

>>

>> 2,030 suicides attributable to illegal Robodebt monstering and harassment

>> (according to Centrelink's assessment), but no-one at the telegraph or hun

>> or oz or any Rupert rag could find that.

>>

>> I suppose that’s another way to understand “un-covering”.

>>

>> Tony

>>

>>

>> On 20 Mar 2023, at 12:31, TP histor...@...> wrote:

>>

>> If things go badly on Saturday, we'll be back to this:

>>

>>

>> https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fnational%2Fcosta-push-to-derail-hills-link-20070925-gdr6rm.html

>>

>> Labor has form, which hasn't changed since the 1950s.

>>

>> Victorians should be pleased - the Telegraph uncovered NSW Labor copying

>> and pasting Dan Andrews' election policies onto the NSW Labor website, just

>> changing the names and localities to NSW ones. Absolutely no policy of

>> their own, just slogans.

>>

>> Tony P

>>

>> On Monday, 20 March 2023 at 10:19:57 UTC+11 Tony Galloway wrote:

>>

>>> Of course, shit wages and shit working conditions, overlaid with shit

>>> management perpetrated by overpaid parasitic privatised deadshit straw

>>> bosses, has nothing to do with it. Many who do take on these shit jobs

>>> don’t remain because they are shit jobs managed by brain dead thugs

>>> deliberately engaged to make driving buses an even more miserable

>>> occupation than it is already. And with relatively low unemployment they

>>> don’t have to put up with it.

>>>

>>> Metro is nothing but a rort to sluice money into the greed troughs of

>>> corrupt construction companies and corrupt property developers, as seen at

>>> the Hills council where Perrottet’s corrupt brothers were involved in a

>>> bribery driven liberal party branch stack to load up the council with

>>> docile developers’ prostitutes installed to do the bidding of corrupt

>>> clowns like Jean Nassif and his corrupt company Toplace, builder of high

>>> rise buildings unfit for occupation. This is what you get with a malignant

>>> economic ideology that believes limitless “growth”, eg, trashing the

>>> environment, can go on forever, by politicians bought and sold like

>>> Darlinghurst Wall rent boys.

>>>

>>> A brief history of Liberal Party scandals | The Saturday Paper

>>> https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2023/03/18/brief-history-liberal-party-scandals#mtr

>>>

>>> It wouldn’t matter if this government had the best transport policies

>>> ever - it hasn’t - all the other atrocities of corruption, malfeasance,

>>> incompetence and environmental ecocide perpetrated by these criminal

>>> sociopaths, including a fire-bombing murder attempt on a vocal opponent,

>>> Jordan Shanks, shows it is congenitally unfit for any public office :

>>>

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWZkANkNYo4&ab_channel=friendlyjordies

>>>

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRAU4Z9Meb0&ab_channel=friendlyjordies

>>>

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrJeumZROdU&ab_channel=friendlyjordies

>>>

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fogLmItSZns&ab_channel=friendlyjordies

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>> On 19 Mar 2023, at 13:24, TP histor...@...> wrote:

>>>

>>> As mentioned in an earlier post:

>>>

>>> *Buses*

>>>

>>> Greater Sydney 5,500

>>> Greater Melbourne 2,700

>>> Greater Brisbane 1,750+

>>> Perth 1,692

>>> Adelaide 1,034

>>> Canberra 460

>>> Hobart 167

>>> Darwin 79

>>>

>>> Sydney's labour pool is the same size as Melbourne's, but Sydney has to

>>> find twice as many bus drivers as Melbourne at a time of virtually full

>>> employment.

>>>

>>> Why is Sydney so dependent on buses? The current reason is that, during

>>> the last ten years, Sydney's bus services have become much, much better in

>>> terms of their frequency and coverage. Now by far the best in Australia,

>>> even better than Perth's - but very labour and vehicle intensive as a

>>> result.

>>>

>>> The other longer-term reason is that every Labor government since the

>>> 1950s has shown a preference for buses as a "quick and easy" (though

>>> manifestly inadequate) solution for public transport. The current Labor

>>> Party is still at it, promising buses instead of metro (even though they

>>> have only about 5% of the capacity, even more ludicrous than when they

>>> replaced the trams) and offering motorway toll relief, thus encouraging

>>> more people to drive.

>>>

>>> I'm sure their "task force" they propose to establish to find more

>>> drivers will be very successful. Are they going to send press gangs out

>>> into the streets to take them by force?

>>>

>>> It would have helped, of course, if the CSELR operation hadn't been so

>>> slow, giving the Labor MPs in SE Sydney plenty of ammunition to demand more

>>> buses. CSELR should have taken many buses off the road and curtailed them

>>> from running into the city, but now we have a half-arsed situation with

>>> buses still running alongside trams into the city, in order to appease the

>>> voters in the SE. If Labor gets in, I'm sure that this bus operation will

>>> only increase.

>>>

>>> The Coalition did a great thing bringing trams back, but unfortunately

>>> they were let down by the lucrative gravy train known as "modern light

>>> rail", its crappy trams, gizmo "solutions" and its know-all newbie

>>> "experts" and operators.

>>>

>>> Tony P

>>>

>>> On Sunday, 19 March 2023 at 12:02:47 UTC+11 Greg Sutherland wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/where-sydney-s-bus-driver-shortage-is-causing-the-most-delays-and-cancellations-20230316-p5csm0.html

>>>>

>>> Bus services across Sydney have been plagued with delays and

>>>> cancellations, leading to long queues of frustrated commuters after a

>>>> shortage of drivers led to cuts to services.

>>>>

>>>> The eastern suburbs, inner west and north shore are the hardest hit by

>>>> the driver shortage. One in 10 B-Line buses to the northern beaches have

>>>> also been cancelled during the morning peak

>>>> https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-public-transport-cancelled-bline-bus-services-leaving-northern-sydney-passengers-stranded/ed30aef6-e8ff-48da-8cc4-64a23d50b915

>>>> in the past six months.

>>>> [image: A reduction in bus services triggered by a shortage of drivers

>>>> has caused disruption to commuters across Sydney.]

>>>>

>>>> A reduction in bus services triggered by a shortage of drivers has

>>>> caused disruption to commuters across Sydney.Credit:Louise Kennerley

>>>>

>>>> Lane Cove Council has established a reporting system for late and

>>>> cancelled buses after complaints from teachers and parents about children

>>>> being late for school.

>>>>

>>> The driver shortages prompted the NSW government to make temporary

>>>> service changes in January by cutting bus services

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/brace-for-chaos-bus-union-warns-thousands-of-sydney-services-will-be-axed-from-monday-20230129-p5cg7q.htmlacross

>>>> Sydney.

>>>>

>>> The NSW government blames the lack of drivers on Australia’s low

>>>> unemployment rate, but the bus union and Labor say privatisation has led to

>>>> a deterioration in bus services.

>>>>

>>>> On Tuesday morning last week, every third bus scheduled to arrive at

>>>> Lane Cove interchange heading towards the city was cancelled or extremely

>>>> delayed. On real-time tracking apps, Transport for NSW advises buses “may

>>>> operate a reduced service level”.

>>>> [image: Bus services in Sydney’s eastern suburbs, inner west, north

>>>> shore and northern beaches are the hardest hit by the driver shortage.]

>>>>

>>>> Bus services in Sydney’s eastern suburbs, inner west, north shore and

>>>> northern beaches are the hardest hit by the driver shortage.Credit:Louise

>>>> Kennerley

>>>>

>>>> Jane Weller’s 12-year-old daughter now walks 20 minutes from their Lane

>>>> Cove home, past their closest bus stop, so she can fit on a service to

>>>> Riverside Girls High. Weller said the bus disruption had been a frustrating

>>>> way for her daughter to start high school.

>>>>

>>>> “In the first week, the [over capacity] bus passed the children at the

>>>> bus stop without explanation. It changed its route destination to ‘not in

>>>> service’,” she said.

>>>>

>>> Advertisement

>>>>

>>>> “We were only alerted to the issue when we walked to the bus stop

>>>> ourselves to catch the city bus and found our daughter still waiting.”

>>>>

>>>> Lane Cove councillor Rochelle Flood said many parents were now driving

>>>> their children to school every day because they could not rely on the bus.

>>>>

>>>> A Transport for NSW spokeswoman said the reduction in bus services had

>>>> led to an increase in “negative comments” to operators and on social media.

>>>>

>>>> “Adjusted timetables enable operators to offer more reliably

>>>> predictable route services, rather than cancelling services ad hoc, giving

>>>> greater certainty to commuters when planning their trip,” she said.

>>>>

>>>> The spokeswoman blamed Australia’s low unemployment rate of 3.5 per

>>>> cent for the driver shortage, which has led to more than 500 vacancies out

>>>> of a workforce of about 7000. It is expected to continue throughout 2023 –

>>>> despite efforts to recruit drivers with free public transport and

>>>> subsidised training.

>>>>

>>>> The ongoing bus service cuts add to the frustrations caused by Sydney’s

>>>> train meltdown earlier this month

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/no-trains-are-moving-all-sydney-trains-down-ahead-of-afternoon-peak-20230308-p5cqgq.html,

>>>> which led to the entire rail network grinding to a halt.

>>>> Related Article

>>>> [image: Commuters at Martin Place station when Sydney’s rail network

>>>> was brought to a standstill on Wednesday.]

>>>>

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/for-sydney-commuters-it-s-nearly-impossible-to-travel-off-peak-20230309-p5cqpi.html

>>>> Public transport

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/topic/sydney-public-transport-62q

>>>> For Sydney commuters, it’s nearly impossible to travel ‘off peak’

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/for-sydney-commuters-it-s-nearly-impossible-to-travel-off-peak-20230309-p5cqpi.html

>>>>

>>>> The Rail, Tram and Bus Union NSW’s tram and bus division secretary

>>>> David Babineau said the state government had axed thousands of trips from

>>>> the timetable because it could not deliver a quality service to commuters.

>>>>

>>>> “We’re seeing incredibly large queues at bus stops and bus drivers are

>>>> being abused because of the government’s decision to axe services,” he said.

>>>>

>>>> Babineau said the privatisation of buses was worsening driver

>>>> shortages: “In addition to all the other issues caused by privatisation,

>>>> they’re now struggling to attract and retain bus drivers, which means

>>>> operators are axing hundreds of services every day.”

>>>>

>>>> Lola Sharp has been late for many appointments since new timetables

>>>> were introduced at the end of January, waiting up to half an hour for buses

>>>> from Coogee that generally run at 10-minute intervals.

>>>> Related Article

>>>> [image: Composite - Photographs made around the Sydney CBD to accompany

>>>> a story about women’s safety in the CBD. Photographed Thursday 2nd March

>>>> 2023. Photograph by James Brickwood. SMH NEWS 230302. Prince Alfred Park.

>>>> Natalie Ward MP speaks at a press conference in front of the NSW Law Courts

>>>> on Sunday, January 29, 2023. Photo by Cole Bennetts.]

>>>>

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/why-90-per-cent-of-women-in-sydney-don-t-feel-safe-at-night-20230228-p5co8m.html

>>>> ExclusiveNight-time economy

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/topic/night-time-economy-1ng1

>>>> Why 90 per cent of women in Sydney don’t feel safe at night

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/why-90-per-cent-of-women-in-sydney-don-t-feel-safe-at-night-20230228-p5co8m.html

>>>>

>>>> “On questioning bus drivers, some have said ‘There is no timetable’,”

>>>> she said. “Others have said ‘We just do as we are told’. Others have just

>>>> shrugged.”

>>>>

>>>> Sharp also expressed annoyance that her bus service terminates at

>>>> Museum station instead of Circular Quay: “As an elderly person, I can do

>>>> without accessing [and] exiting two buses instead of one.”

>>>>

>>>> Orla Burke usually catches a bus from Bronte to Bondi Junction where

>>>> she transfers to a train into the city.

>>>>

>>>> But unreliable buses and inaccurate timetables have forced Burke to ask

>>>> a neighbour to walk her children to school, so she can leave at 8am to

>>>> ensure she is on time for her meetings.

>>>> Related Article

>>>>

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/a-year-of-late-trains-is-your-line-the-least-reliable-in-sydney-20221208-p5c4n5.html

>>>> Trains https://www.smh.com.au/topic/trains-jas

>>>> A year of late trains: Is your line the least reliable in Sydney?

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/a-year-of-late-trains-is-your-line-the-least-reliable-in-sydney-20221208-p5c4n5.html

>>>>

>>>> “It is possible to make a 9am meeting if everything runs to time,” she

>>>> said. “However it’s currently not feasible to have 9am meetings as I’m

>>>> frequently late, which makes me look unreliable.”

>>>>

>>>> Labor transport spokeswoman Jo Haylen also blamed privatisation for the

>>>> deterioration of bus services.

>>>>

>>>> “[A cancelled service] forces passengers back onto our roads and

>>>> reduces confidence in our public transport system.”

>>>>

>>>> Haylen said a Labor government would set up a taskforce to address the

>>>> driver shortage, and work to return services cut due to bus privatisation.

>>>>

>>>> “This is about putting the needs of passengers at the centre of our bus

>>>> network after years of Liberal neglect,” she said.

>>>>

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>>>> The Real Rob Morrison

>>>> 5 hours ago

>>>> Offer more money and they will sign up. Supply and demand.

>>>> Simon Raven

>>>> 5 hours ago

>>>> Been like this for months, buses cancelled at short notice and even

>>>> Google etc can't keep up with what's happening in real time. While

>>>> Transport NSW says, "please check with Trip Planner before you travel" but

>>>> even that doesn't tell you what's happening at the actual bus stops. And

>>>> even Trip Planner says it might not be accurate and to ... check Trip

>>>> Planner! Not uncommon to wait for 30mins for a bus that's meant to run

>>>> every 10mins in the Eastern Suburbs. Shocking. Oh, and a note to the MP who

>>>> said at the last state election he'd reinstate the 378's old route from

>>>> Bronte to the city: you didn't.

>>>> Glenn

>>>> 5 hours ago

>>>> They would not pay me enough to be a bus or taxi driver in Sydney

>>>> today. The place is a complete mess with overpopulation.

>>>> Gds Gds

>>>> 5 hours ago

>>>> Who knew that in times of low employment you would have trouble filling

>>>> jobs that are low paid and stressful. The same with teachers, nurses, Aged

>>>> Care, Child Care, etc. Then the Government has the temerity to say they

>>>> can’t increase the wages because of cost. If you don’t pay the bucks you

>>>> don’t get the staff. What do they intend to do, Shanghai people and force

>>>> them to work in these jobs?

>>>> Gds Gds

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> Low unemployment.

>>>> Phill

>>>> 5 hours ago

>>>> Exactly what everyone said would happen when the LNP sold off the

>>>> 'Regions'.

>>>> AllWomenUnite

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> Hey, You have discovered why we need another million migrants in

>>>> Australia.

>>>> Plain stupidity.

>>>> Migrants work cheaper than Australians.

>>>> DJG

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> Driver shortages are a huge issue for buses, but the situation would be

>>>> worse under govt ownership where wage growth is capped at 2%. At least

>>>> private operators can offer sign on incentives and pay more to attract

>>>> drivers. Unions and Labor should focus their anger elsewhere.

>>>> Jono Nolan

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> The job is very stressful. Doing it close to 9 hours a day driving back

>>>> and forth on Sydney's aggressive roads is very draining. You see the worst

>>>> in human behaviour on the roads.

>>>> Uncomfortable Truth

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> Sydney is full. I visited friends in Sydney on Thursday from the North

>>>> Coast. At 11am it was like the peak hour of five years ago. It took me 75

>>>> minutes to go from Wahroonga to my destination. And I will not use toll

>>>> roads. I cannot afford it on my pension income. And judging by the cars on

>>>> my well known route, lots of others don't either.

>>>> PMoftheMonth

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> Why would you work for them? The new employment agreements are stingy.

>>>> Bus drivers don’t even get a free travel pass any more! And what is the

>>>> real cost saving in not giving them one anyway?

>>>> Johnathan

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> It’s not just Bus drivers, staff shortages are everywhere in Sydney

>>>> And the PM is promising 100.000 new jobs

>>>> Good luck with that

>>>> Mrs Smith

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> Every time I head to the office in the city, it's like playing the bus

>>>> roulette. Trip planner doesn't provide live info on more than half of the

>>>> buses and it's up to luck if the bus turns up or delayed substantially. WFH

>>>> is the way instead of wasting hours a week on unpredictable buses. The big

>>>> bosses asking people to go back to office must experience the frustration

>>>> and poor productivity of the workers.

>>>> Mermaid

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> Ferry connecting bus cancelled at last minute 2 out 3 times recently

>>>> meaning 30 min wait or steep uphill walk in the heat. City light rail was

>>>> also cancelled on one of those days. Completely unreliable.

>>>> Brian

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> So the LIbs employment strategy for bus drivers relies on high

>>>> unemployment? It's all a con when it comes to Dom.

>>>> Gary Squirrel

>>>> 4 hours ago

>>>> When the B-Line was privatised, workers were put on new split shift

>>>> rosters of four hours on, four hours off, four hours on again. It’s not a

>>>> worker friendly arrangement even if you do live. close to home, and is

>>>> unsustainable if you don’t and have to add a commute at either end of your

>>>> effectively 12 hour shift. As a result, all the older bus drivers simply

>>>> quit, and and surprisingly they’re having difficulties recruiting new

>>>> drivers.

>>>> Mangocola

>>>> 3 hours ago

>>>> Busways was down at my local shopping centre during business hours

>>>> doing a recruitment drive for bus drivers. I said to them that they're

>>>> looking in the wrong place - only pensioners and those who have past

>>>> working age and would never qualify for a heavy vehicle licence pass

>>>> through here.

>>>>

>>>> Additionally, Transit Systems was spotted in NZ and Pacific Island

>>>> countries taking out bus driver advertisements in local papers.

>>>>

>>>> It's that desperate, thanks to privatisation.

>>>> Astro

>>>> 3 hours ago

>>>> Driving buses is a horrible job, I nearly hand in my resignation every

>>>> day.

>>>>

>>>> A lot of drivers left to retire and their positions weren't taken by

>>>> younger people because they know it's a terrible job and they all want to

>>>> earn big bucks in IT and finance.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Passengers affected by the cancellations need to realise that by

>>>> abusing the driver of the next service that comes along they are

>>>> potentially abetting the resignation decision of that driver... to cause

>>>> even more shortages! Just call 131500 and lodge your complaint instead.

>>>> Nic76

>>>> 3 hours ago

>>>> All these entities (public transport, post, etc) are paying more and

>>>> more people more and more money to sit in front of computers and figure out

>>>> ways to cut money. They look at spreadsheets, crunch numbers and come to

>>>> the conclusion that it’s the people doing these services that are the

>>>> problem, not them.

>>>> Caleb

>>>> 3 hours ago

>>>> There's this concept called a market for labour where businesses have

>>>> to learn to put up wages to attract staff rather than rely on an endless

>>>> flow of migrants to keep wages suppressed.

>>>> Mandelbrot

>>>> 3 hours ago

>>>> Why do they still call it public transport when all the buses have been

>>>> sold off to private companies, its now just a series of unreliable local

>>>> private bus services like we had half a century ago?

>>>>

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>>>>

>>>>

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