I refer you to the rules just posted by Benevolent Dictator. They don't
refer to ferries.
Tony P
(who gets sick of filling in facts about these extraneous posts)
On Tuesday, 7 February 2023 at 16:27:15 UTC+11gregsut...@...
wrote:
> Responsible Minister : Minister for Transport. This Minister(s). As
> well as ferries this Minister is responsible for trams and electric trains
> as well as other bits and pieces.
>
> Responsible Department: Transport for NSW (TfNSW). Enough said.
>
> Responsible Operator: Transdev, a favoured TfNSW provider of ferry
> services, trams and numerous bus services in Sydney.
>
> There are plenty of erudite members of this group, not just in Australia,
> and a lot of lurkers who appreciate background information which they would
> not have available from their normal industry sources.
>
> I have made no comment on the original article, rather I have posted it
> for general information.
>
> I am sure Yarra Trams and PTV are following these developments closely.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On 7/02/2023 4:11 pm, TP wrote:
>
> Electric ferry then is it Greg?
>
> Before the inevitable comments - the engines are by Yanmar, a century-old
> and very experienced Japanese diesel engine manufacturer, as many satisfied
> boaties will confirm. Faults can occur on any product, but only if they're
> not manufactured in Australia do they provoke knee-jerk responses by NSW
> Labor politicians.
>
> Second, a general observation. The much-vaunted Australian-built
> Freshwaters were plagued by control system issues, resulting in failures,
> groundings and collisions, for some *twenty* years before they were
> finally resolved. Just saying, because we're getting plenty of this "it
> wouldn't happen if they were built in Australia" at the moment. No matter
> where something complex is built, there's a likelihood of faults. A post
> from somebody on ATDB about a month ago:
>
> " There were a lot of control system issues that occurred for decades on
> the Freshwaters. *Collaroy *in particular is the problem child as it has
> a totally different control system design, which is the main reason it's
> being retired and *Queenscliff *was refit, because at least the latter is
> mostly identical to *Freshwater*. But they all had various issues with
> the integrated control systems.
>
> A couple of crashes happened in 2005 ( https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/tp/fi
> ... -final.pdf
> https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/tp/files/35617/IR-Collaroy%20March%202005-final.pdf
> , https://www.otsi.nsw.gov.au/sites/defau ... -final.pdf
> https://www.otsi.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/otsi_assets/documents/reports/IR-Narrabeen-final.pdf
> ) , which is perhaps what Collins was referring to in terms the 20-year
> timeframe from the mid-80's. I think Sydney Ferries and its suppliers at
> that time didn't have a full appreciation for the numerous failure modes
> the electronics could present, as well as the poor reliability of these
> compared to other marine components. Better training and procedures were
> needed as well, as indicated by the *Narrabeen *crash, which actually
> injured people (I don't think the Emeralds have caused any passenger
> injury?)
>
> I think the *Freshwater*-class are safe enough now, but as Collins said,
> it took way too long to sort this out. They were hardly perfect as a
> certain modern narrative seems to make out"
>
> This is without even mentioning the Australian-made Millenium trains or 86
> class locos for example.
>
> Those new NGR trains to be built in Queensland will be costing some 100%
> more than if they were built overseas. They'd better be absolutely
> flawless, otherwise, no doubt, the SMH will be reporting every little
> hiccup for us [not].
>
> Tony P
>
> On Tuesday, 7 February 2023 at 15:27:45 UTC+11gregsut...@...
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/new-manly-ferry-suffers-catastrophic-engine-failure-on-sydney-harbour-20230207-p5cikt.html
>>
>>
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