Re: Secret report reveals $1 billion-plus cost blowout in bungled NSW trains project
  Tony Galloway

Boo-hoo, someone’s mentioned something I don’t want mentioned, so we need to make more “rules” to stop it.

When too much micromanagement is never enough, eh?

Just have your sook and get over it. If there’s anything more tedious than panegyrics about press ganging and privatisation, it’s whining about what subjects can't be discussed because they challenge YOUR views, attitudes and prejudices.

I’m prepared to listen to anyone on just about anything that relates to what I regard as the most economical, environmentally sustainable and lowest impact (depending on how it’s built) form of public transit, the electric light railway, and related modes. I want to see more light rail, done better, and to stick with proven, simple, non-patent technology to do it.

I’d say anyone who reads my posts knows where I stand, and they’re fully entitled to disagree with me if they don’t see it my way. No-one knows everything, and an open mind can always learn something new.

If I disagree and have an alternative perspective, or think something is absurd, delusional or just wrong, I'll call it out. No-one sees everything the same way as everyone else, including what subjects are covered here, so there’ll always be disagreement, whether the topic is contemporary or historical, that’s how it is.

We’ll just have to live with it.

Tony

> On 6 Feb 2023, at 13:26, TP historyworks@...> wrote:

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> Yes, I've read the objectives of the group a number of times in order to gain clarity, but there's quite a bit of looseness in them. The words "urban transport" can potentially allow discussion way beyond what was intended. "Trolleys" is an old-fashioned term that doesn't cover subsequent developments.

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> Tony P

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> On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 12:36:30 UTC+11heg...@... http://gmail.com/ wrote:

> From the list homepage https://tdu.to <https://tdu.to/>:

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> "Trams DownUnder is a Google Groups discussion group/mailing list pertaining to trams, trolleys, light rail and urban transport in Australia and New Zealand. Included are such locations as Melbourne, Bendigo, Ballarat, Sydney, Christchurch and many more. Discussion of historical aspects of present and past operations is especially encouraged. Also included: Australian trams in the United States and elsewhere."

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> I take it that emphasis on the political background is out of place (as is discussion of internal-combustion-powered bus operations per se) but cursory mention of those factors as context for the main focus is OK. For example, someone might offer a summary of pre-electric services on the Glenelg line, to compare what was offered and the level of patronage; but not go into detailed discussion of locomotives and rolling stock.

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> That's how I see it. I hope I'm at least broadly right.

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> Hal Cain

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> On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 11:59 AM TP histor...@... <applewebdata://23A3D8FD-F5FC-46BC-BAB7-A1A26F9E176E>> wrote:

> Still not really relevant. A completely different, unrelated project.

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> Tony P

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> On Monday, 6 February 2023 at 11:03:07 UTC+11mat...@... <applewebdata://23A3D8FD-F5FC-46BC-BAB7-A1A26F9E176E> wrote:

> On 6/2/23 10:55, TP wrote:

> > Is this part of the core business of this forum or are we using the

> > "pantograph loophole"?

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> This is the same transport authority that purchased trams unsuited to

> the job and a traction power system for said trams that is tried to a

> single manufacturer.

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