TP wrote:Presumably TfNSW have to pay Transdev to do it - and I wouldn't mind
betting that TfNSW wants some sort of 'consideration' from the event
promoters - or at least will do nothing unless the promoter asks them too.

Yes, at  these events where supplementary PT is supplied, the ticket price includes a "contribution" to the cost of transport, which is passed on to TfNSW.

On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:55:05 pm AEDT, TP historyworks@...> wrote:

There is still a bus loop at Moore Park, but it's much smaller than the old loop, though still with plenty of capacity and shelter. The thing is that it's yonks away from the tram stop, so there's no chance of users having an overview of both stops so that they can make a choice if something goes pear-shaped at one of the stops. It would be logical in the event of a mishap at the tram stop that the control room could advise the waiting crowd to walk down to the bus stop to catch a bus, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that didn't happen.

TfNSW hired the artics from Transit Systems (inner west).
Tony P

On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 12:11:27 UTC+11bblun...@... wrote:

The bus loop cuts off the bus roadway near the pedestrian overbridge, to the bus stands, then continues a short distance to a U-turn loop and back to the bus roadway.
Inbound buses operate via Fitzroy and Foveaux St, dropping off just before Elizabeth St and returning via Albion St.

The roadway with the traffic lights is MacArthur Ave, but only a short section is accessible from the western end due to concrete bollards across it. I understand it is reserved for "emergency vehicles" and the traffic lights are only activated when it is in use.
Brian

On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 11:37:56 am AEDT, Matthew Geier mat...@...> wrote:

On 23/1/23 10:42, TP wrote:
> Considering the less than 2 km distance between Moore Park and

> Central, there was no problem with the number of six artics that would

> have filled up the available road doing a continuous loop. The event

> buses actually have a dedicated loop terminus at Moore Park on the

> site of the old tramway loops and where a loop should have been built

> for CSELR event trams! T


The bus loop is no longer a loop. They stuck a turning loop at the end
when the loop was cut by the light rail construction and last I looked,
never restored it.

The CESLR tracks have a set of traffic lights next to the Moore Park
stop that were installed, but never commissioned.

> The other issue is that, in spite of knowing that there would be

> 30,000 people at the venue, TfNSW didn't consider it necessary to

> authorise additional LX trams to infill between the regular trams.

> Even in the event of the points failure, I believe that was further

> upstream, so the LX trams would have been able to continue operating

> even if the regular route trams were held up.

>

Presumably TfNSW have to pay Transdev to do it - and I wouldn't mind
betting that TfNSW wants some sort of 'consideration' from the event
promoters - or at least will do nothing unless the promoter asks them too.

> As an aside, I do wonder how they go with running LX trams in between

> the regulars at a combined 2 minute headway, considering the shunting

> required at the event stops. Do they really manage to trundle one of

> those 67 metre trams into a siding, get the driver to waddle the

> distance to the other end (on the ground, considering the tram is a

> coupled set), go through the startup procedures and run back into the

> platform two minutes before the next regular tram arrives?


A Citadis 305 can 'cut in' quite quickly. (I watched a driver at
Circular Quay recently, I think the cab activated in around 30 seconds)
Most of the delay will be the driver's 65m walk to the other end.