The NSW transport bureaucracy up to 2011 was a bucket full of tram-hating
bus boosters. I think there was a bit of a purge in early years of the
current government and many of the incumbents would have left in disgust
anyway. The remaining issues are I think basically competence ones. It
didn't help when all these heavy-rail types rushed forward to offer their
services as "light rail experts".
Tony P
On Saturday, 21 January 2023 at 14:37:41 UTC+11eme...@... wrote:
> It's almost as if, from start to finish with light rail, that TfNSW has
> sabotaged the government. The exorbitant cost and outrageous project time
> in which almost every decision cost more or degraded performance is now
> compounded by this series of events. I do accept that big projects will
> always have ups and downs. However, when a project is consistently
> underperforming is not the time for shrugging shoulders and bulling ahead.
>
> Of course, one of the reasons for representative government is to curtail
> out-of-control feral bureaucracy. So, obviously the Government has to take
> responsibility too. A few top heads rolling in 2017 AND selection of
> competent replacements could have changed history.
>
>
> Mark Skinner
>
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, 11:13 am TP, histor...@...> wrote:
>
>> I'm hearing now that TfNSW didn't bother approving Transdev to insert
>> additional LX trams in between the regular trams passing through Moore Park
>> during the event. LX is the route number given to special event trams that
>> are interspersed between the regular L2 and L3 trams between Central and
>> Moore Park/Randwick Racecourse during events.
>>
>> At that time of night, regular route trams are passing through Moore Park
>> every five minutes, giving a capacity of about 5,400 persons per hour per
>> direction. Insertion of LX trams in between should double that capacity,
>> assuming they can undertake the operation with Swiss watch-like discipline.
>> Addition of the five artic buses should provide another 1,000-1,500 pphpd
>> on top of that, let's say about 12,000 pphpd. Then the trams fell over,
>> leaving the artics to do the job. The stadium crowd size was 30,000. The
>> balance is supposed to be picked up by private cars and walking. Not
>> brilliant, considering the capacity of the former tram system to move
>> 60,000 per hour at that venue.
>>
>> In Sydney, Olympic Park will be perfect once the metro opens through
>> there. SUburban event trains manage until then. Other states seem to do a
>> lot better than Moore Park. Perth's new Optus Stadium has been designed to
>> be served by public transport only and trains and buses can lift an entire
>> capacity crowd of 60,000 on their own.
>>
>> Tony P
>>
>> On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 21:35:46 UTC+11 TP wrote:
>>
>>> After the trams finished, Moore Park events were served by buses and
>>> there were never enough of them. Exiting the venue onto an abundance of
>>> trams that swallowed the crowds up was replaced by waiting for occasional
>>> buses and then running frantically to get on one in case it was the only
>>> one (you never knew in those days before transport apps on phones).
>>> Illustrated in the attached Fairfax photo (which I've titled "Fall of the
>>> Roman Empire")..
>>>
>>> At the Elton Johns concert, the trams barely did the job of that single
>>> bus. There were six artic buses supplied for the event by Transit systems
>>> and they were the lifesavers.
>>>
>>> Tony P
>>>
>>> On Friday, 20 January 2023 at 19:09:35 UTC+11gol8...@...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that I see where you gents are going wrong. Melbourne has those
>>>> funny old trams whereas Sydney has a "Modern light fail, er, rail"system.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:tramsdo...@... [mailto:tramsdo...@googlegroups.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Matthew Geier
>>>> Sent: Friday, 20 January 2023 4:36 PM
>>>> To:tramsdo...@...
>>>> Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] Light rail fails in the hour of need
>>>>
>>>> On 20/1/23 15:52, Mark Skinner wrote:
>>>> > So...what happens if a driver selects the wrong road by mistake?
>>>> > Surely, they can get out and change the points manually?
>>>> >
>>>> In Sydney drivers do not select the points, the 'traffic computer'
>>>> (AVLS) does. It also controls the destination screens.
>>>>
>>>> If the AVLS is down or not communicating with the master control
>>>> computer, the OCC will direct the drivers to select points using the
>>>> direction selection buttons on the console. A selector switch to be
>>>> turned from auto to manual before those buttons work. The locations of
>>>> the beacons are marked track side.
>>>>
>>>> Basically it appears the function of an LRV driver to read the AVLS
>>>> screen and follow it's directions. The only autonomy is 'don't run over
>>>> pedestrians'. Every thing else is regulated by computers.
>>>>
>>>>
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