Yes, I remember that one.
It used to be a bit of a sport when the Comeng trains still had door knobs
fitted, to run alongside a departing train trying to force the doors open
and jump on. An increase in the air pressure holding the doors shut and
replacing knobs with finger grips has mostly eliminated that behaviour but
it's still seen occasionally.
More puzzling are those passengers who run alongside a departing Siemens or
Xtrapolis train, jabbing at the door open button. Two clues that the doors
are locked there: the light in the door open button is extinguished - and
the train is moving. Hallo Einstein.
Of course, when one of these idiots trips and falls in the gap and is
crushed, it's the operators fault.
S
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, 19:51 Andrew C andrewhighriser@...> wrote:
> In Melbourne, yes there have been instances of dragged passengers. One I
> recall I think was at Parliament Station.
>
> Andrew.
>
> On Sun, 25 Sept 2022 at 18:44, TP historyworks@...> wrote:
>
>> The position with legal liability in such a case nowadays is that the
>> operator (or the operator's staff member/s) is at fault, regardless of the
>> actions of the passenger. We can no longer use the justification that the
>> passenger should have been more careful. The system has to be designed and
>> managed so that even a careless user is safe. What I find surprising is
>> that we are told that our commuter trains need guards to be safe, yet here
>> we have both a guard and a station dispatcher who failed to observe what
>> was happening on a virtually straight platform. All passenger railways,
>> except fully automated metros which have an exceptional safety record, are
>> substandard by modern safety standards, but it'll take a very long time to
>> upgrade them all with more automation, remote sensing and monitoring and
>> platform screen doors to minimise the risk of human fallibility, both among
>> users and staff.
>>
>> Wondering if there are instances of dragged passengers in Melbourne,
>> Adelaide and Perth where there are no guards and afaik no station
>> dispatchers?
>>
>> Tony P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 18:13:26 UTC+10stuart....@...
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That article is quite irritating. Sydney Trains was right to challenge
>>> that claim, they've spent years and how many $$$$ trying to educate the
>>> masses to "Stand clear doors closing". What else do they need to do?
>>>
>>> From the earliest days of automatic door operation, there's been a
>>> clearly audible "hiss" of compressed air indicating door closure is
>>> imminent. In more recent years we've had train guards laboriously intoning
>>> the above words before the computer generated equivalent was installed
>>> along with tones or chimes, and this in addition to the time-honored
>>> practice of the guard blowing his/her whistle.
>>>
>>> The article is interesting in that the CCTV image shown to the court
>>> clearly showed the lady close to the edge of the platform with her bag
>>> stuck in the doors. I'm not a betting man but if I was I'd wager that
>>> footage was only available for later viewing by investing personnel and not
>>> available at the time of the incident by station and train staff. The
>>> incident wouldn't have happened if it was, nor would it have happened if
>>> the lady had stood clear of the closing doors.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 21:59 TP histor...@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The woman was about to board the train at Auburn when the guard closed
>>>> the door on her, signalled the all clear together with station staff and
>>>> the driver departed, dragging her between the platform and train, seriously
>>>> injuring her.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/sydney-woman-awarded-11m-after-falling-between-train-and-platform/news-story/a56cbc3a4d5f4575332b11a78e64b31a
>>>>
>>>> Tony P
>>>>
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