Re: New Melboune F-class trams will cost $18.5 million EACH !!!!!
  TP

The answer to why a 14 metre tram could carry 150 people in Melbourne (or
Adelaide?) compared to about 110-120 in Sydney was that the former were
very much standee trams with fewer seats, whereas Sydney always had a high
emphasis on seating. Of course, Sydney compensated on total capacity by
running coupled sets which would have a combined seating capacity of 160
(and a total carrying of about 230 or so). It seemed to me from research
that a pattern over the years in Sydney was that the passenger capacity
figures quoted at that time for Sydney trams were seated capacity. You'd
mainly only see total capacity figures cited in relation to major sporting
events.

Tony P

On Monday, 8 August 2022 at 02:22:34 UTC+10transit...@... wrote:

> From practical experience the W class could well hold 150 persons.

> That was the figure shown on an interior bulkhead.

>

> Remember Bourke or Collins street eastbound at the start of the lunch

> hour rush - full of people just out of the office heading east to one of

> the cafes further east. Also on occasion, elsewhere in Melbourne, with

> conductors unable to move around in the crush, relying on passengers

> passing fares to the conductor from those passengers out of reach. And

> conductors at the stops (safety zones) to sell tickets to waiting

> passengers?

>

> And I distinctly recall seeing a photo of a B with the advert on the

> front stating "This tram can carry 217 people to the footy".

>

> Regards

>

> Dudley Horscroft

>

> On 7/08/2022 4:21 pm, Mal Rowe wrote:

> > On 07/08/2022 15:15, TP wrote:

> >> David, the Z and A classes would be about 110 capacity, the Bs, C1s,

> >> D1s and G would be anywhere from 150 passengers up, depending on door

> >> ratio. The remaining 30 metre trams would be 200+ passengers.

> >

> > The 'official' figures for Melbourne trams are listed on the web at:

> > https://yarratrams.com.au/our-fleet-today

> >

> > The attached table has different figures - based on passengers per

> > square metre.

> >

> > I am dubious about some of the figures in both sources - especially

> > that a W could carry 150 passengers or a D1 168 passengers.

> >

> > The E class brochure published before delivery quoted 210+ passengers.

> >

> > PTV is quoting 150 for the G class trams - but that seems to be based

> > on the 70 odd quoted on the website for As and Zs, not the 115 odd

> > 'crush load.

> >

> > They say that the Gs will hold twice as many passengers as an A or Z.

> >

> > Mal Rowe - noting that the quoted maximum carrying capacity of a W in

> > the 1920s was 170!

> >

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