That would be because the quality of the public transport services from the
suburbs to the city and vv are poor, thus encouraging people to drive. I
know you're well onto all those issues Daniel. When the quality of those
services improve, the incentive to park and ride will diminish. This has
happened in Sydney a huge lot in the last decade as a result of all the
major investment and service expansion here.
The other factor that will progressively come into play is that the land on
which car parks are located eventually becomes too valuable for that use
and they will be closed and the land redeveloped. Again, this has happened
a lot in Sydney. Melbourne should follow not too far behind. In the
meantime, there should be a progression that involves, as a first stage,
encouraging people to at least drive to public transport rather than
undertaking the whole journey by car, in cases where public transport can't
provide their whole journey, either because it's not available or the
service is too poor. The progression should lead eventually to people
undertaking the whole journey by public transport when the latter is
eventually (hopefully!) up to standard.
To me, the desire to abandon the FTZ is a symptom of the failure over years
to invest in the tram system, so it's short of capacity. The decision to go
for smaller trams exacerbates that and will eventually come to bite
Melbourne in the bum.
Tony P
On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 14:09:33 UTC+10danie...@... wrote:
> Tony> encouraging parking to move out to the peripheries rather than
> encouraging people to drive all the way to their destination
>
> The data shows the reverse happened. After the FTZ was introduced, the
> numbers of people driving to the CBD and surrounds from Zone 1 increased,
> with PT mode share dropping.
>
> (In contrast the Zone 2 fare cuts introduced at the same time had a
> positive effect on PT mode share from zone 2 to the CBD.)
>
>
> Daniel
>
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 13:22, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>
>> This is a particularly Melbourne thing and very much down to the chronic
>> lack of investment in public transport there. There simply isn't enough
>> capacity for the existing and latent demand (capacity being a combination
>> of vehicle size, fleet size and service frequency). Moreover, they've
>> decided to downscale the size of the trams, a decision of epic stupidity,
>> but I've promised to stay out of that debate as much as possible!
>>
>> Needless to say, free transit zones are widespread around the world,
>> including other Australian cities, and features such as encouraging parking
>> to move out to the peripheries rather than encouraging people to drive all
>> the way to their destination are seen as a good thing. Only in Melbourne
>> are they seen as a bad thing, which may be why you have people wanting to
>> drive to and park in centres.
>>
>> Tony P
>> (Who has visited and lived in Melbourne over many years and still doesn't
>> understand how Victorians think. It's another country!)
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 July 2022 at 12:02:31 UTC+10 Mal Rowe wrote:
>>
>>> Daniel Bowen has had an opinion piece published in today's Age
>>> newspaper.
>>>
>>> See:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/why-the-free-tram-zone-needs-to-be-cancelled-20220724-p5b456.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with all that he says and experience what he describes, but am
>>> not holding my breath for change - especially with an election coming
>>> up.
>>>
>>> Mal Rowe in a city that has a busy heart
>>>
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