Good luck convincing Australians, who have built up a level of comfort
through hard work, to give it up and lead a more spartan life - that would
be political suicide for any party. A bigger concern is industry.
https://au.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/australia-power-crisis-forces-manufacturers-to-eye-offshore-moves-production-cuts-2590201
Germany, the European country with the highest levels of renewable energy
and also, as a result, the highest electricity prices in Europe, is now on
the brink of an energy crash and one of the hottest selling items there at
the moment is wood fuel stoves. What a fantastic own goal.
I struggle to nominate the stupidest thing about environmental warriors
because there are so many stupidities, but high in the list must be the
subliminal free pass given to some of the biggest polluters in the world,
notably China, India and Russia (the last making it even worse by setting
fire to Ukraine), against the filthy output of which, the combined efforts
of the rest of the world mean diddly squat. I'll believe the
environmentalists when they drop the double standard and tackle the problem
where it is worst first, instead of disarming the rest of us, thus
strengthening the bad players even more. Look forward to seeing you all
demonstrating in Tien An Men Square and Red Square (and spare us the "per
capita" crap, which is just a weak excuse for the bad players).
I've always been an environmentalist myself, who also believes that coal
and oil ultimately need to go, but not a fanatic who thinks the way to
proceed is to destroy the existing structures first before finding whether
the new structures actually work. That's a hell of a gamble to take with
entire economies and the lives of the people who live in them. It's either
extraordinarily naive or malicious, or maybe both.
Tony P
On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 20:50:48 UTC+10d3...@... wrote:
> Yep totally agree with that. I've been off grid since 1984 and haven't
> seen a power bill since, all thanks to a perfect solar system. The fools
> out there that are continually moaning about not having enough power are
> the ones that are hogging it! Back off on the 5,000 watt power appliances
> stupid and scale down to just what you need to live. No wonder the grid is
> screwed with these hogs sucking out the juice.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew Cook (waiting for the moderator to step in, lol).
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:*tramsdo...@... tramsdo...@...> on
> behalf of Tony Galloway a...@...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 2 July 2022 4:58 PM
> *To:* tramsdownunder tramsdo...@...>
> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Victoria's power supply
>
> I was waiting for the hysterical screed complete with a link to some bogus
> fraud monger, and wasn’t disappointed.
>
> Your ride is waiting Tony :
>
>
> Boganistan has been overthrown - get used to it.
>
> Potato Pete will never be the Tuber Fuehrer - get used to it
>
> The future is all renewables, because the alternative is ecocide - get
> used to it.
>
> If that means less energy is available for the idiot profligacies of
> “limitless growth” cancer economies, then the economy will have to change
> to suit the environment, not the other way around - get used to it.
>
> BTW, ask the Russians how things are going with the permafrost melting -
> they’re not getting used to that.
>
> I’ve been doing my bit in administering the Cleansing Enema the body
> politic received on May 21, and also advising some climate change activists
> on the fascinating subject of railway technology.
>
> As for that link you posted, here’s the reality :
>
> "Stop These Things" - SourceWatch
> https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/%22Stop_These_Things%22
>
> See, anyone can post a link.
>
> There is no “Planet B” to go to after this one is trashed.
>
> If you dislike this one so much that the greed of deadshits is more
> important to you than a future beyond your death, sign up for that one-way
> expedition to Mars.
>
> It’s a dead, desolate place - I’m sure you’ll love it there.
>
> Bon Voyage.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 2 Jul 2022, at 14:34, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>
> I see Dr Camier as an experienced power engineer who has a practical (as
> opposed to political or doctrinaire) understanding of the realities of
> power generation and supply. I thought it a very sober piece. Here's
> something a little more to the point then!
>
>
> https://stopthesethings.com/2021/09/07/subsidised-suicide-how-wind-solar-carpetbaggers-trashed-australias-energy-grid/
>
> Claiming that Victoria's trams are fully powered from renewable sources is
> just complete bs, part of the same ponzi scheme. I note that there's now an
> inquiry underway into fraud in carbon trading. Where there's a money trail
> from which a few get rich, there's plenty of smoke and mirrors to hide the
> trail.
>
> So we're belatedly "catching up" with the rest of the world - just as the
> rest of the world is pausing, taking stock and changing directions. Just
> look at what's happening in Europe and the belated recognition by many
> countries of the overriding significance of energy security in the face of
> threat. I've said before on this forum some years ago that you shouldn't
> burn your bridges before you cross them. The really smart and
> environmentally progressive countries are those that acquired nuclear power
> (Belgium, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Slovakia,
> Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, UK, Bulgaria and Romania) which are far more secure
> *and* with better environmental credentials for it, except that Belgium
> and Germany are about to shoot themselves in the foot by getting rid of it
> - knowing of course, together with Austria, that they can hypocritically
> strut their environmental credentials while quietly importing surplus
> nuclear power from France and Czech Republic to make up their shortfalls.
>
>
> Germany is on the point of destroying its economy from political stupidity
> while Russia, the country that is the cause of that can, together with
> China and India, continue breezing along enriching themselves on coal, oil
> and gas, untroubled by the hypocritical environmental crusaders who turn a
> blind eye to them. There are lessons for Australia in Europe and the new
> Labor government looks like it intends to ignore those lessons. That will
> end up impoverishing all of us, except the carpetbaggers of course.
>
> I've always believed in the electrification of transport systems, that's a
> good thing, but you do need the reliable electricity supply to run them.
> Those two objectives are currently running in opposite directions and, on
> the lifeboat principle, I think we'll be hanging onto our ICE cars for
> quite a while (couldn't afford an electric car for one thing and, having
> had a few drives, I'm unimpressed by them, their weight and downtime being
> major issues, in common with all battery vehicles). I do believe that coal
> should go, but wind, solar and batteries are not the sources that are
> anywhere near capable of replacing it.
>
> The solar system we installed (because I like to try things out before I
> talk about them) has been a general disappointment and we're working out
> whether we'll be able to keep living here for the number of years it will
> take for it to break even (at current estimate at least five years), let
> alone come out ahead. I feel sorry for those who are conned into installing
> domestic battery banks because they may never break even before the point
> is reached where the whole kit has reached the end of its effective life
> and has to be replaced at much expense. We only bought the solar panels
> because we're retired, at home during the day and can actually use it
> directly to run the pool pump and aircon - when it's not raining, which it
> does a lot on the east coast, then it's useless. Anyone who works or goes
> to school comes home at 5 and spends the night running on coal, yet the
> solar company tells you to only run your appliances and charge your car and
> tools during the day. The whole show is dishonest, totally detached from
> reality and strictly a toy for the rich (subsidised by the poor).
>
> Solar, wind and batteries aren't going to do anything remotely like the
> job and blind freddy can see that, yet Albo promised us (or did promise
> until he recently "qualified" that) cheaper electricity while spending
> trillions to string wires everywhere to provide "resilience" that in fact
> we already had through the old power supply system. Earlier in my life I
> had the optimistic view that the world would incrementally improve over the
> years (and it did for a while). The worst thing about becoming older is
> that you realise it's going to continue on in the same depressing cycles of
> stupidity (complete with war, because there are always bad players in every
> era). It's like that saying: strong men create good times, good times
> create weak men, weak men create bad times and so the cycle goes on. We're
> now plonk in the middle of the weak men and bad times.
>
> And not looking good for electric transport.
>
> Tony P
>
> On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 12:20:36 UTC+10 Mal Rowe wrote:
>
> It seems that you and Dr Camier may have missed out on noting the
> outcome of the recent election.
>
> The people have spoken and Australia is belatedly catching up with the
> rest of the world.
>
> As for Melbourne's trams they buy all their electricity from renewable
> sources.
>
> Yes, of course the actual electricity is delivered from whatever is on
> line at any time, but no payment goes to the fossil fuel industry.
>
> Mal Rowe - who notes Dr Camier's long experience in the coal industry
>
> On 02/07/2022 10:18, TP wrote:
> > An interesting article on the power behind Melbourne's trams (and
> > everything else).
> >
> >
> https://latrobevalleyexpress.com.au/news/2022/06/29/comment-a-look-at-the-current-electricity-landscape/
>
> >
> >
>
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