Must be an International City. "T World " teas and coffees, next to Vietnamese coffee also advertising "Home made cake Bahn Mi and Hot Food, next to "SkipPie" for"Australske Masove Kapse" and then the "Happy Salon" - English and French!
I remember the BKV panels in Budapest having plain concrete surfaces, no pretty imitation brickwork. But very noticeable joints.
Perhaps the panels should rest on a levelled layer of sand which has been sprinkled with some binder on which the panels can be laid so as to produce a perfectly even and rigid surface suitable for heavy vehicles.
Regards
Dudley
On 21/05/2022 6:46 pm, TP wrote:
> Skippie is still operating after ten years?
>
> http://skippie.cz/index.htm
>
> I see that Miroslav now has a dining pod out on the street, about a pie's width from passing trams. You can't get much closer than that:
>
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@49.7466927,13.3743197,3a,75y,242.73h,86.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMdqbu1faDouhaNHVazWaXA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DMdqbu1faDouhaNHVazWaXA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D105.35062%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
>
> The BKV panels seem to have a stone paving imprint on them? I don't recall noticing that before, usually just smooth concrete. Specially done for the historic precinct I guess?
>
> I can see when I visit Fremantle's west end why it reminds me of Plzen.
>
> The street, Prešovská, is a popular location for tram photography. Here is a new Skoda 40T tram passing the pie shop heading east on line 1:
>
> https://i1.wp.com/www.cysnews-new.cz/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/tram-pl.jpg
>
> The 40T is a 30 metre tram of the same configuration as the Melbourne E class. 22 are being purchased for PMDP Plzen. Plzen (population 170,000) is disposing of its smaller trams in favour of 30 metre trams to meet demand - at the same time as some other city (population 5 million) is downsizing to 24 metre trams (to meet demand?). Funny old world, the world of trams.
>
> Tony P
>
> On Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 12:12:19 UTC+10eme...@... wrote:
>
> The BKV panels are a good idea, wrongly used. They are extremely
> cheap and quick to install. Excellent for temporary track
> relocations such as round the Anzac Station under construction.
> Similarly, for very light traffic where other methods would make
> trams uneconomic. However, when their use was extended to busy
> lines, a life of ten years seemed to be the maximum...but cheap.
> Then, of course, it was cheaper to just let them get worse and
> worse by slowing the service down. Various operators in Czech
> Republic are persevering with them in low usage lines, but with
> sturdier bases.
>
> I'm interested to see how these are standing up. One such section
> is outside the Skippy Australian Pie Shop in Plzeň. So, on my next
> visit I shall observe while munching a pie.
>
> Mark Skinner
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2022, 9:11 am Matthew Geier,
> mat...@...> wrote:
>
> If we are talking asphalt roads , probably won't matter how
> well you
> pack that thin layer of fill, it will tend to 'flow' under
> load. The
> tram rails probably act to constrain where the road vehicle's
> wheels go
> - they have issues like this on the Sydney Harbour Bridge on
> the Cahill
> lanes (ex railway/tramway) as they are quite narrow and have a
> high
> amount of bus traffic. With the buses constrained to run in
> the 'same'
> path due to the narrow lanes the asphalt ruts quite rapidly.
>
> I've also seen this elsewhere where the lanes are narrow and
> constrained
> - and particularly on those guided rubber tired tram things.
> They rather
> rapidly rut their guideway unless it's concrete, and the first
> Translohr
> has noticeable wear on its concrete sections!. I think the Paris
> Translohr lines are all concrete on the running surface.
>
> Those pre-fab track panels they used in Eastern Europe have
> proven to be
> problematic over time - unless the bed those panels are placed
> on is
> very well compacted (and often wasn't) the panels tend to rock
> with the
> road traffic and eventually break the rails.
>
>
> On 20/5/22 21:47, Dudley Horscroft wrote:
> > Perhaps it might be better in these high traffic areas to
> ensure that
> > the concrete to top of sleeper height is completely level,
> then insert
> > between the rails long concrete panels linked by some sort
> of mastic -
> > tar or rubber? Similar to the panels used in Budapest but
> without the
> > fixings for the rails, or the panels used in somewhere in
> the Czech
> > republic - Tony knows where and can probably find the
> advertising
> > material on these.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Dudley
> >
> > On 20/05/2022 9:36 pm, David Batho wrote:
> >> Thank you, all, for some recondite observations.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 11 May 2022, at 11:14 am, Mal Rowe mal....@...>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 08/05/2022 13:10, Mal Rowe wrote:
> >>>> The strength and finished surface are starting to show
> some problems.
> >>>>
> >>> As promised, I went out to get some pics of some problems
> with some
> >>> of Melbourne's tramways renewed using the current technique.
> >>>
> >>> The technique involves concrete to sleeper height, then
> crushed
> >>> rock/concrete fill to just below rail height and topping
> off with
> >>> bitumen.
> >>>
> >>> It mostly works well, but there are at least a couple of
> places
> >>> where problems with the road surface have emerged.
> >>>
> >>> The two attached pics show Bridge Rd Richmond where there
> is very
> >>> heavy road traffic. The use of "Vienna stops" in this
> location
> >>> concentrates the motor traffic on the tramway section of
> the road.
> >>> Most motorists avoid going up and over the kerbside lane.
> It looks
> >>> like the crushed rock has not been stable enough and the
> bitumen
> >>> surface is breaking up. The tramway is fine - just the
> road surface
> >>> is failing.
> >>>
> >>> The other location I have noticed problems is in Dawson St
> >>> Brunswick. The section of roadway outside the tram rails
> is quite
> >>> uneven - driving along it in a car one notices 'long period
> >>> corrugations' that give a bumpy ride.
> >>>
> >>> Getting the crushed fill to pack down is tricky - the
> small roller
> >>> that is used (see: https://tdu.to/i/80550 ) is probably
> not able to
> >>> do the job properly.
> >>>
> >>> Mal Rowe - grateful to Warren Doubleday for the 'heads up'
> on Bridge
> >>> Rd.
> >>>
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