Skippie is still operating after ten years?
http://skippie.cz/index.htm
I see that Miroslav now has a dining pod out on the street, about a pie's
width from passing trams. You can't get much closer than that:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@49.7466927,13.3743197,3a,75y,242.73h,86.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMdqbu1faDouhaNHVazWaXA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DMdqbu1faDouhaNHVazWaXA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D105.35062%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
The BKV panels seem to have a stone paving imprint on them? I don't recall
noticing that before, usually just smooth concrete. Specially done for the
historic precinct I guess?
I can see when I visit Fremantle's west end why it reminds me of Plzen.
The street, Prešovská, is a popular location for tram photography. Here is
a new Skoda 40T tram passing the pie shop heading east on line 1:
https://i1.wp.com/www.cysnews-new.cz/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/tram-pl.jpg
The 40T is a 30 metre tram of the same configuration as the Melbourne E
class. 22 are being purchased for PMDP Plzen. Plzen (population 170,000) is
disposing of its smaller trams in favour of 30 metre trams to meet demand -
at the same time as some other city (population 5 million) is downsizing to
24 metre trams (to meet demand?). Funny old world, the world of trams.
Tony P
On Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 12:12:19 UTC+10eme...@... wrote:
> The BKV panels are a good idea, wrongly used. They are extremely cheap
> and quick to install. Excellent for temporary track relocations such as
> round the Anzac Station under construction. Similarly, for very light
> traffic where other methods would make trams uneconomic. However, when
> their use was extended to busy lines, a life of ten years seemed to be the
> maximum...but cheap. Then, of course, it was cheaper to just let them get
> worse and worse by slowing the service down. Various operators in Czech
> Republic are persevering with them in low usage lines, but with sturdier
> bases.
>
> I'm interested to see how these are standing up. One such section is
> outside the Skippy Australian Pie Shop in Plzeň. So, on my next visit I
> shall observe while munching a pie.
>
> Mark Skinner
>
> On Sat, 21 May 2022, 9:11 am Matthew Geier, mat...@...>
> wrote:
>
>> If we are talking asphalt roads , probably won't matter how well you
>> pack that thin layer of fill, it will tend to 'flow' under load. The
>> tram rails probably act to constrain where the road vehicle's wheels go
>> - they have issues like this on the Sydney Harbour Bridge on the Cahill
>> lanes (ex railway/tramway) as they are quite narrow and have a high
>> amount of bus traffic. With the buses constrained to run in the 'same'
>> path due to the narrow lanes the asphalt ruts quite rapidly.
>>
>> I've also seen this elsewhere where the lanes are narrow and constrained
>> - and particularly on those guided rubber tired tram things. They rather
>> rapidly rut their guideway unless it's concrete, and the first Translohr
>> has noticeable wear on its concrete sections!. I think the Paris
>> Translohr lines are all concrete on the running surface.
>>
>> Those pre-fab track panels they used in Eastern Europe have proven to be
>> problematic over time - unless the bed those panels are placed on is
>> very well compacted (and often wasn't) the panels tend to rock with the
>> road traffic and eventually break the rails.
>>
>>
>> On 20/5/22 21:47, Dudley Horscroft wrote:
>> > Perhaps it might be better in these high traffic areas to ensure that
>> > the concrete to top of sleeper height is completely level, then insert
>> > between the rails long concrete panels linked by some sort of mastic -
>> > tar or rubber? Similar to the panels used in Budapest but without the
>> > fixings for the rails, or the panels used in somewhere in the Czech
>> > republic - Tony knows where and can probably find the advertising
>> > material on these.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Dudley
>> >
>> > On 20/05/2022 9:36 pm, David Batho wrote:
>> >> Thank you, all, for some recondite observations.
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 11 May 2022, at 11:14 am, Mal Rowe mal....@...> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On 08/05/2022 13:10, Mal Rowe wrote:
>> >>>> The strength and finished surface are starting to show some problems.
>> >>>>
>> >>> As promised, I went out to get some pics of some problems with some
>> >>> of Melbourne's tramways renewed using the current technique.
>> >>>
>> >>> The technique involves concrete to sleeper height, then crushed
>> >>> rock/concrete fill to just below rail height and topping off with
>> >>> bitumen.
>> >>>
>> >>> It mostly works well, but there are at least a couple of places
>> >>> where problems with the road surface have emerged.
>> >>>
>> >>> The two attached pics show Bridge Rd Richmond where there is very
>> >>> heavy road traffic. The use of "Vienna stops" in this location
>> >>> concentrates the motor traffic on the tramway section of the road.
>> >>> Most motorists avoid going up and over the kerbside lane. It looks
>> >>> like the crushed rock has not been stable enough and the bitumen
>> >>> surface is breaking up. The tramway is fine - just the road surface
>> >>> is failing.
>> >>>
>> >>> The other location I have noticed problems is in Dawson St
>> >>> Brunswick. The section of roadway outside the tram rails is quite
>> >>> uneven - driving along it in a car one notices 'long period
>> >>> corrugations' that give a bumpy ride.
>> >>>
>> >>> Getting the crushed fill to pack down is tricky - the small roller
>> >>> that is used (see: https://tdu.to/i/80550 ) is probably not able to
>> >>> do the job properly.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mal Rowe - grateful to Warren Doubleday for the 'heads up' on Bridge
>> >>> Rd.
>> >>>
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