Netherlands is a pretty flat and straight country overall!
Tony P
On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 15:26:47 UTC+11a...@... wrote:
> That’s well and good for the time being, but sooner or later the older
> bogie cars used on the humpy routes will need replacing. I suppose they’re
> following the current trend of hoping something better will be available in
> the future, when the incumbents’ responsibility for decision making has
> passed.
>
> And it seems that CAF has put the hard sell on the Dutch, with Utrecht
> also acquiring Urbos 100s, and like Amsterdam they’re running them in 2-car
> sets :
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX8QieQITnE
>
> The Utrecht cars don't have end doors and also lack the tapered cabs of
> the Amsterdam cars. Like Sydney this Utrecht line has fare card readers on
> the platforms.
>
> These trams might be fine on flat and straight routes, and if anywhere
> will have lines like that it’s the Netherlands. Let’s hope it doesn’t all
> end in tears.
>
> Tony
>
> On 29 Nov 2021, at 2:08 pm, Mark Skinner eme...@...> wrote:
>
> I think you've hit the nail on the head there Tony. These trams are cheap
> and likely suitable for flat and straight routes. If an operator has such
> routes, why not use the most economical vehicle?
>
> The problem seems to be that the operators buying these vehicles and using
> them are not informed buyers. They are not informed buyers because that
> skill set has been driven out by the economists and accountants who fixate
> on costs and the occasional aberrant engineer (shout out to Mr C Newman,
> Queensland) who seem to think that trams, trains, ferries...and submarines
> are items you order off the shelf like dinky toys. Further, many of the
> consultants in Australia are not much better. A couple of cheap
> consultancies let to VUKV would have saved Australian operators hundreds of
> millions of dollars and years of stress.
>
> Nothing like reinventing the wheel.
>
> /end rant. Haha.
>
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 1:01 pm TP, histor...@...> wrote:
>
>> The CAF trams in Amsterdam are used on routes that don't pass over that
>> type of bridge. Budapest has done the same as Amsterdam (Combino, then
>> later CAF) and had initial problems with their Combinos which they tried to
>> return to Siemens but they couldn't get out of the contract, so fixed them
>> up and have used them ever since. You;'d think that Budapest would, even
>> more, know better, but, like the Combino, the CAFs are confined to routes
>> that are most suitable for them.
>>
>> Tony P
>>
>> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 12:40:38 UTC+11a...@... wrote:
>>
>>> After their astute choice of the Siemens Combino as their Tram Of The
>>> Future, GVB Amsterdam followed up by picking the CAF Urbos 100 to be the
>>> next one.
>>>
>>> Surprising they didn’t know of problems with the type, you’d think an
>>> operator like this would’ve been around long enough to know to do some due
>>> diligence into what they’re buying, particularly after their Combino
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> I wonder how those hump backed, gauntlet tracked canal bridges that did
>>> in the Combinos are treating them? :
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFjeOHfmbxs
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGOuhKeSQ8
>>>
>>> (I’ll have to ask Wifey to have a go at translating the Dutch subtitles
>>> in the second vid, she speaks Afrikaans, but you can sorta work out what
>>> they’re saying)
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
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