Re: (TAN) | GVB Amsterdam | CAF Urbos 100 | New tram - YouTube
  TP

Netherlands is a pretty flat and straight country overall!

Tony P

On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 15:26:47 UTC+11a...@... wrote:

> That’s well and good for the time being, but sooner or later the older

> bogie cars used on the humpy routes will need replacing. I suppose they’re

> following the current trend of hoping something better will be available in

> the future, when the incumbents’ responsibility for decision making has

> passed.

>

> And it seems that CAF has put the hard sell on the Dutch, with Utrecht

> also acquiring Urbos 100s, and like Amsterdam they’re running them in 2-car

> sets :

>

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX8QieQITnE

>

> The Utrecht cars don't have end doors and also lack the tapered cabs of

> the Amsterdam cars. Like Sydney this Utrecht line has fare card readers on

> the platforms.

>

> These trams might be fine on flat and straight routes, and if anywhere

> will have lines like that it’s the Netherlands. Let’s hope it doesn’t all

> end in tears.

>

> Tony

>

> On 29 Nov 2021, at 2:08 pm, Mark Skinner eme...@...> wrote:

>

> I think you've hit the nail on the head there Tony. These trams are cheap

> and likely suitable for flat and straight routes. If an operator has such

> routes, why not use the most economical vehicle?

>

> The problem seems to be that the operators buying these vehicles and using

> them are not informed buyers. They are not informed buyers because that

> skill set has been driven out by the economists and accountants who fixate

> on costs and the occasional aberrant engineer (shout out to Mr C Newman,

> Queensland) who seem to think that trams, trains, ferries...and submarines

> are items you order off the shelf like dinky toys. Further, many of the

> consultants in Australia are not much better. A couple of cheap

> consultancies let to VUKV would have saved Australian operators hundreds of

> millions of dollars and years of stress.

>

> Nothing like reinventing the wheel.

>

> /end rant. Haha.

>

> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021, 1:01 pm TP, histor...@...> wrote:

>

>> The CAF trams in Amsterdam are used on routes that don't pass over that

>> type of bridge. Budapest has done the same as Amsterdam (Combino, then

>> later CAF) and had initial problems with their Combinos which they tried to

>> return to Siemens but they couldn't get out of the contract, so fixed them

>> up and have used them ever since. You;'d think that Budapest would, even

>> more, know better, but, like the Combino, the CAFs are confined to routes

>> that are most suitable for them.

>>

>> Tony P

>>

>> On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 12:40:38 UTC+11a...@... wrote:

>>

>>> After their astute choice of the Siemens Combino as their Tram Of The

>>> Future, GVB Amsterdam followed up by picking the CAF Urbos 100 to be the

>>> next one.

>>>

>>> Surprising they didn’t know of problems with the type, you’d think an

>>> operator like this would’ve been around long enough to know to do some due

>>> diligence into what they’re buying, particularly after their Combino

>>> experience.

>>>

>>> I wonder how those hump backed, gauntlet tracked canal bridges that did

>>> in the Combinos are treating them? :

>>>

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFjeOHfmbxs

>>>

>>>

>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGOuhKeSQ8

>>>

>>> (I’ll have to ask Wifey to have a go at translating the Dutch subtitles

>>> in the second vid, she speaks Afrikaans, but you can sorta work out what

>>> they’re saying)

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

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