Re: Re: New Queensland train delivery doomed 'from day one', inquiry chief declares
  TP

Did I miss something? Are these suburban or interurban trains?

https://inqld.com.au/news/2021/10/20/train-city-maryborough-to-be-centre-of-multi-billion-dollar-rail-investment/

Tony P

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 6:35:13 PM UTC+11 TP wrote:

> When the Emerald Mk2 ferries were being built in China recently (as a

> subcontract to the Australian shipbuilder Birden), Birden's surveyors were

> not able to go to China to supervise the construction because of covid and

> the ships were delivered to Australia full of issues, which Birden has

> borne the burden of having to rectify locally.

>

> Tony P

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> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 5:30:36 PM UTC+11bblun...@... wrote:

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>> I have seen mention that when the Waratahs were being built in China,

>> that Australian staff were sent over to supervise the construction. It was

>> reported that the workers there had no experience in stainless steel. Not

>> sure if these inspectors were from RailCorp or Downer/Reliance.

>>

>> I believe that similar supervision was intended for the new intercity

>> manufacture in S Korea, but was suspended because of covid.

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>> The State Government has very strict guidelines on the specifications for

>> such manufacture and payment is not finalised until all conditions of the

>> contract have been met.

>>

>> Brian

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>> On Friday, 22 October 2021, 04:47:32 pm AEDT, Hunslet <

>>hun...@...> wrote:

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>> As far back as I can remember, when the NSWGR (and derivatives) placed a

>> major order with outside contractors, supervising inspectors were appointed

>> from internal staff to ensure that the contractor did not cut corners and

>> kept to the specifications of the contract – unless otherwise agreed.

>>

>> I suspect that Management (possibly even that has been outsourced!) no

>> longer has the expertise to either prepare the tender, examine in minute

>> detail the tenders received to confirm that they meet requirements and/or

>> to fully manage the contract once it is let.

>>

>> Hunslet.

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>> *From:*tramsdo...@... [mailto:tramsdo...@googlegroups.com] *On

>> Behalf Of *TP

>> *Sent:* Friday, 22 October 2021 1:38 PM

>> *To:* TramsDownUnder tramsdo...@...>

>> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: New Queensland train delivery doomed

>> 'from day one', inquiry chief declares

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>> But who drew up the specifications for this train, including the

>> measurements and design that should have complied with the DDA standards?

>> Not politicians for sure. Perhaps the Indian builders didn't comply with

>> the specification (that would be unusual)? So who then had oversight of the

>> ongoing progress of the build to ensure that it complied with the

>> specifications? Again, not the politicians.

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>> It's very typical around the world for train tenders to be advertised

>> internationally, with the successful bidder not necessarily in the

>> customer's home country. Or, like NSW, the successful bidder is in

>> Australia but subcontracts construction work overseas. It's then incumbent

>> on the local company to ensure compliance of the product.

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>> I don't necessarily support this. It's better if these transport products

>> are built in Australia, but there can be good reasons why a particular

>> specialised product with very small production runs has to be sourced

>> overseas. Trams come to mind. It certainly annoys me that any buses at all

>> should be imported but the blame for that often state Treasuries that

>> insist on the cheapest product.

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>> Tony P

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>> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 10:49:17 AM UTC+11

>>gregsut...@... wrote:

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>> The situation in Queensland is not related to attitudes or actions of

>> Queensland rail engineers. Rather it is a manifestation, and an expensive

>> one, of the obsessive "buy foreign and 'off the shelf' public transit

>> trainsets policiy of former Premier Campbell Newman.

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>> Similar buy off the shelf or imports while excluding locals fiascoes can

>> be seen in the doctrinaire policies that have been applied in NSW,

>> Constance trains/ferries and Victoria, Kennett trams (C & Ds) and trains.

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>> Greg

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>> On 20/10/2021 5:32 pm, TP wrote:

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>> That lack of respect for people with a disability, including any mobility

>> impairment, is universal in the public transport sector in Australia. Not

>> confined to Queensland governments or Queensland rail engineers by any

>> means.

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>>

>> Tony P

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>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:20:59 PM UTC+11

>>gregsut...@... wrote:

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>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-10/queensland-rail-inquiry-new-trained-failed-from-day-one-forde/10600554

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