Did I miss something? Are these suburban or interurban trains?
https://inqld.com.au/news/2021/10/20/train-city-maryborough-to-be-centre-of-multi-billion-dollar-rail-investment/
Tony P
On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 6:35:13 PM UTC+11 TP wrote:
> When the Emerald Mk2 ferries were being built in China recently (as a
> subcontract to the Australian shipbuilder Birden), Birden's surveyors were
> not able to go to China to supervise the construction because of covid and
> the ships were delivered to Australia full of issues, which Birden has
> borne the burden of having to rectify locally.
>
> Tony P
>
> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 5:30:36 PM UTC+11bblun...@... wrote:
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>> I have seen mention that when the Waratahs were being built in China,
>> that Australian staff were sent over to supervise the construction. It was
>> reported that the workers there had no experience in stainless steel. Not
>> sure if these inspectors were from RailCorp or Downer/Reliance.
>>
>> I believe that similar supervision was intended for the new intercity
>> manufacture in S Korea, but was suspended because of covid.
>>
>> The State Government has very strict guidelines on the specifications for
>> such manufacture and payment is not finalised until all conditions of the
>> contract have been met.
>>
>> Brian
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>> On Friday, 22 October 2021, 04:47:32 pm AEDT, Hunslet <
>>hun...@...> wrote:
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>>
>> As far back as I can remember, when the NSWGR (and derivatives) placed a
>> major order with outside contractors, supervising inspectors were appointed
>> from internal staff to ensure that the contractor did not cut corners and
>> kept to the specifications of the contract – unless otherwise agreed.
>>
>> I suspect that Management (possibly even that has been outsourced!) no
>> longer has the expertise to either prepare the tender, examine in minute
>> detail the tenders received to confirm that they meet requirements and/or
>> to fully manage the contract once it is let.
>>
>> Hunslet.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:*tramsdo...@... [mailto:tramsdo...@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *TP
>> *Sent:* Friday, 22 October 2021 1:38 PM
>> *To:* TramsDownUnder tramsdo...@...>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: New Queensland train delivery doomed
>> 'from day one', inquiry chief declares
>>
>>
>>
>> But who drew up the specifications for this train, including the
>> measurements and design that should have complied with the DDA standards?
>> Not politicians for sure. Perhaps the Indian builders didn't comply with
>> the specification (that would be unusual)? So who then had oversight of the
>> ongoing progress of the build to ensure that it complied with the
>> specifications? Again, not the politicians.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's very typical around the world for train tenders to be advertised
>> internationally, with the successful bidder not necessarily in the
>> customer's home country. Or, like NSW, the successful bidder is in
>> Australia but subcontracts construction work overseas. It's then incumbent
>> on the local company to ensure compliance of the product.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't necessarily support this. It's better if these transport products
>> are built in Australia, but there can be good reasons why a particular
>> specialised product with very small production runs has to be sourced
>> overseas. Trams come to mind. It certainly annoys me that any buses at all
>> should be imported but the blame for that often state Treasuries that
>> insist on the cheapest product.
>>
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>>
>> Tony P
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>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 10:49:17 AM UTC+11
>>gregsut...@... wrote:
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>> The situation in Queensland is not related to attitudes or actions of
>> Queensland rail engineers. Rather it is a manifestation, and an expensive
>> one, of the obsessive "buy foreign and 'off the shelf' public transit
>> trainsets policiy of former Premier Campbell Newman.
>>
>>
>>
>> Similar buy off the shelf or imports while excluding locals fiascoes can
>> be seen in the doctrinaire policies that have been applied in NSW,
>> Constance trains/ferries and Victoria, Kennett trams (C & Ds) and trains.
>>
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>> Greg
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>> On 20/10/2021 5:32 pm, TP wrote:
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>> That lack of respect for people with a disability, including any mobility
>> impairment, is universal in the public transport sector in Australia. Not
>> confined to Queensland governments or Queensland rail engineers by any
>> means.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony P
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>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:20:59 PM UTC+11
>>gregsut...@... wrote:
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>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-10/queensland-rail-inquiry-new-trained-failed-from-day-one-forde/10600554
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