When the Emerald Mk2 ferries were being built in China recently (as a
subcontract to the Australian shipbuilder Birden), Birden's surveyors were
not able to go to China to supervise the construction because of covid and
the ships were delivered to Australia full of issues, which Birden has
borne the burden of having to rectify locally.
Tony P
On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 5:30:36 PM UTC+11bblun...@... wrote:
> I have seen mention that when the Waratahs were being built in China, that
> Australian staff were sent over to supervise the construction. It was
> reported that the workers there had no experience in stainless steel. Not
> sure if these inspectors were from RailCorp or Downer/Reliance.
>
> I believe that similar supervision was intended for the new intercity
> manufacture in S Korea, but was suspended because of covid.
>
> The State Government has very strict guidelines on the specifications for
> such manufacture and payment is not finalised until all conditions of the
> contract have been met.
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, 22 October 2021, 04:47:32 pm AEDT, Hunslet <
>hun...@...> wrote:
>
>
> As far back as I can remember, when the NSWGR (and derivatives) placed a
> major order with outside contractors, supervising inspectors were appointed
> from internal staff to ensure that the contractor did not cut corners and
> kept to the specifications of the contract – unless otherwise agreed.
>
> I suspect that Management (possibly even that has been outsourced!) no
> longer has the expertise to either prepare the tender, examine in minute
> detail the tenders received to confirm that they meet requirements and/or
> to fully manage the contract once it is let.
>
> Hunslet.
>
>
>
> *From:*tramsdo...@... [mailto:tramsdo...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *TP
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 October 2021 1:38 PM
> *To:* TramsDownUnder tramsdo...@...>
> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: New Queensland train delivery doomed
> 'from day one', inquiry chief declares
>
>
>
> But who drew up the specifications for this train, including the
> measurements and design that should have complied with the DDA standards?
> Not politicians for sure. Perhaps the Indian builders didn't comply with
> the specification (that would be unusual)? So who then had oversight of the
> ongoing progress of the build to ensure that it complied with the
> specifications? Again, not the politicians.
>
>
>
> It's very typical around the world for train tenders to be advertised
> internationally, with the successful bidder not necessarily in the
> customer's home country. Or, like NSW, the successful bidder is in
> Australia but subcontracts construction work overseas. It's then incumbent
> on the local company to ensure compliance of the product.
>
>
>
> I don't necessarily support this. It's better if these transport products
> are built in Australia, but there can be good reasons why a particular
> specialised product with very small production runs has to be sourced
> overseas. Trams come to mind. It certainly annoys me that any buses at all
> should be imported but the blame for that often state Treasuries that
> insist on the cheapest product.
>
>
>
> Tony P
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 10:49:17 AM UTC+11
>gregsut...@... wrote:
>
> The situation in Queensland is not related to attitudes or actions of
> Queensland rail engineers. Rather it is a manifestation, and an expensive
> one, of the obsessive "buy foreign and 'off the shelf' public transit
> trainsets policiy of former Premier Campbell Newman.
>
>
>
> Similar buy off the shelf or imports while excluding locals fiascoes can
> be seen in the doctrinaire policies that have been applied in NSW,
> Constance trains/ferries and Victoria, Kennett trams (C & Ds) and trains.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20/10/2021 5:32 pm, TP wrote:
>
> That lack of respect for people with a disability, including any mobility
> impairment, is universal in the public transport sector in Australia. Not
> confined to Queensland governments or Queensland rail engineers by any
> means.
>
>
>
> Tony P
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:20:59 PM UTC+11
>gregsut...@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-10/queensland-rail-inquiry-new-trained-failed-from-day-one-forde/10600554
>
>
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