Re: Fw: Horse Trams North Adelaide
  John Wayman

Double ended horse trams can/could be seen in operation in Ballarat and Bylands Victoria, Victor Harbour in South Australia and Douglas on the Isle of Man.

Cable tram trailers are just double ended horse trams hauled by a cable dummy car instead of a horse (can be seen in Portland Victoria).

The earliest electric trams were effectively motorised horse trams,

Cheers
John Wayman

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Thank you for all that information.The item of particular interest to me is that there is a turning loop, that predates Sydney's first of 1880. Why it was converted to a turntable I can't imagine, but the turntable was a very common method of turning horse trams at the time.

The concept of a double-ended horse tram, with a horse at each end facing opposite directions, is certainly an interesting one, but I have a feeling that there is some issue with the idea that I can't quite put my finger on.

Tony P

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 1:34:28 PM UTC+11 jewiwa wrote:
The same picture appears in Lionel Kingsborough's The Horse Tramways of Adelaide and its suburbs 1875-1907 (Libraries Board of S.A., 1967) with the caption 'Adelaide and Suburban Tramway Co., terminus at O'Connell St., North Adelaide. Shewing balloon loop. c.1879'. It also appears in Adelaide on the Move 1878-1978 by Chris Steele and Roger Wheaton (AETA 1978) with the following caption: 'Adelaide and Suburban Tramway Company horse cars Nos. 59 and 62 at the North Adelaide terminus -- the Caledonian Hotel on the corner of O'Connell Street and Barton Terrace. Note the circular turning loop. Connections were made here with the trams of the Adelaide, Prospect, Nailsworth and Enfield Tramway Company after September 1883.' Attached is a copy of the track map of the Adelaide horse tram system in Adelaide Road Transport 1836-1958 by John Radcliffe and Chris Steele (Library Board of S.A., 1974). Of the layout at North Adelaide, Kingsborough says, in relation to the original A&STCo set-up, 'At the Caledonian Hotel [trams] ran round a balloon loop which turned them to the southward again.' In relation to the A,P,N&ETCo arrangements there, he says: 'At the southern end the line crossed the up track of the Adelaide and Suburban Company in O'Connell Street and terminated between their two tracks but did not connect with them.' That was the 1883 arrangement. In 1895, the A&STCo took over the other company, 'connecting the Prospect and Enfield lines with their own and running cars right through to the City. ... A turntable was installed at the Northern Hotel [the Enfield terminus in Main North Rd, near Irish Harp Rd] to turn the single ended cars which now worked the line.'

JWW
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This is claimed to be corner of O'Connell Street, Barton Terrace, Main North Road and Prospect Road with the view looking towards the south in 1878.Does anybody have an old system map/ track map or other information that confirms the date?

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=413304086832763&set=a.197645611731946

Tony P

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