Re: Zurich 2017 Yuri Sos photo
  David Batho

They’d have conniptions seeing some of the streets Hong Kong double-deck buses operate in, too (both in steepness of gradient and in width)!

David


> On 31 Aug 2021, at 9:24 pm, Greg Sutherland gregsutherland@...> wrote:

>

> Straight out of the Heavy Rail 101 text book for dummies - level platforms and island platforms a must, just wait for the Southern Aurora to come through.

>

> Also note that Collins Street and Bourke Street in Melbourne (should I even be so bold as to mention) have in recent years seen construction of fully accessible tram/light rail platform stops. Yarra trams have provision in their standards for graded tram stops.

> In Sydney accessible bus services in areas such as Bondi Road and William Street heading east see buses discharging passengers onto a footpath bus stop where both the roadway and the footpath where the gradients are significantly steeper than the maximum DDA. There is no evidence of these stops being modified. There are significant lengths of unbroken grades on these roads and let's not mention 'heart break hill', if they were fair dinkum they would have to withdraw the bus services.

> Greg

>

> On 31/08/2021 12:29 pm, TP wrote:

>> The issue is Australia is not being on a gradient per se, but whether the gradient is compliant with the maximum allowed under DDA regulations. Wheelchair users can have difficulties if the gradient is too much. I recall that this is cited as the reason from not having the stop in George St near Liverpool St - whether true or not or just an excuse I don't know. But I do recall at one stage they were considering excavating at the upper end of the stop and filling at the lower end in order to bring the grade into compliance and perhaps they gave it up as too hard/costly.

>>

>> Tony P

>>

>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 12:22:06 UTC+10 Matthew Geier wrote:

>> They don't need to go to one of those countries that speak strange lingo.

>> Sheffield, UK has extremely steep grades and stops on those grades.

>> The University of Sheffield stop would give TfNSW a case of the

>> wobbles.

>> The Sheffield trams are equipped to drop sand at the rear, just in

>> case a driver find themselves sliding BACKWARDS down the grade.

>>

>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 11:58, Greg Sutherland

>> gregsut...@... <applewebdata://F114425C-15E3-4728-9771-D5FA6B897527>> wrote:

>> >

>> > Looks like TfNSW and their consultant experts haven't told the Swiss that you can't have a tram stop that is not on the level!

>> >

>> > Greg

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I continue to walk along Ramistrasse to Gloriastrasse

>> >

>> > The next stop a short distance downhill in Ramistrasse is the Law Library (at left) stop. 2017 is climbing away from that stop towards Gloriastrasse while 3054 pauses on a route 9 service towards Wiedikon.

>> > https://gallery.steam4me.net/albums/trams/international/2017-eu/ch_zrh_2089_3054_ramistr_n7k2_16820.jpg https://gallery.steam4me.net/albums/trams/international/2017-eu/ch_zrh_2089_3054_ramistr_n7k2_16820.jpg

>> >

>> > 2094 on a route 5 service pauses at the Law Library stop heading downhill towards Enge station in Laubegg.

>> > https://gallery.steam4me.net/albums/trams/international/2017-eu/ch_zrh_2094_ramistr_n7k2_16823.jpg https://gallery.steam4me.net/albums/trams/international/2017-eu/ch_zrh_2094_ramistr_n7k2_16823.jpg

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>> > Yuri.

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