Re: Ansaldo Breda strikes from the grave
  TP

The major problem with the Tramwave ground supply system in Zhuhai is said
to be ingress of water into the power supply modules.

Tony P

On Saturday, 21 August 2021 at 13:58:46 UTC+10a...@... wrote:

> A strange company, Ansaldo. When Anthony Durrant was writing his history

> of Beyer-Garratt locomotives back in the 60s he sought information from

> them about the three 2-8-2+2-8-2s they built in 1939 under licence for

> Ethiopia when it was occupied by the Italian fascists. They not only

> denied having information about the engines, they denied building them.

>

> Here is the public relations guff from them about their power supply

> solution-in-search-of-a-problem :

>

> https://www.vialibre-ffe.com/pdf/WHAS_TRAMWAVE-ANSALDO%20STS.pdf

>

>

> https://dcstreetcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Section-D-Part-5-610-722-pagesred.pdf

>

> It relies on magnetism and gravity to operate its surface supply switching

> under the car, much like the stud contact systems of old notorious for

> electrocuting dogs and horses. What could possibly go wrong?

>

> They use this rubbish for electric buses in Venice too :

>

> [image: TramWave]

>

> Bombardier gave up on their Primove surface power system (I think it used

> induction) and with this as a conspicuous failure from a failed

> manufacturer it obviously hasn’t much of a future, leaving Alstom’s APS as

> the last offering for the hand wringers and pearl clutchers agitated about

> the non-problem of overhead wires.

>

> Batteries are going to be problematic if lithium-ion is the preferred

> technology as supply of newly mined lithium will be exceeded by demand,

> even with full recycling of existing lithium batteries, so their use is

> likely to be limited to where they are needed rather than just desired for

> trivial and redundant usage, like replacing a proper tramway or trolleybus

> electrification with wires. With shortages, the long term cost of batteries

> will rapidly exceed the initial cost imposed by the installation of

> overhead wiring, and given that APS maintenance is costlier than OHW

> maintenance it has a long term cost disadvantage as well, so eventually it

> could become redundant as cost and obsolescence take a toll on it.

>

> Tony

>

> On 21 Aug 2021, at 12:31 am, TP histor...@...> wrote:

>

> Reading the new issue of TAUT, I see that that the Chinese city of Zhuhai

> has run into a spot of bother with its new tramway which it is now

> considering closing. The Chinese, during their modern light rail revival of

> recent years, have taken out licences to manufacture a number of European

> tram models, no doubt with view to evaluating which are best, then to

> ultimately pinch and copy the designs and manufacture them themselves.

>

> One of these licences, to my surprise, was from the notorious Italian,

> Ansaldo Breda, at that time in its death throes. Included in the deal was a

> ground power system similar to Alstom's APS. Breda, as many will know, had

> quite a reputation in the industry for its quality and reliability issues

> and was basically an ongoing bad joke. However, the company obviously had

> considerable commercial acumen and kept on winning orders, while the

> unlucky customers, such as Boston and Manchester, than had to keep them

> going at much expense. Many ended up giving up and disposing of them well

> before the normal tram lifecycle was up.

>

> I've been quietly watching progress in Zhuhai for a few years and noted

> that they were having a lot of protracted difficulty getting it all going

> reliably. According to TAUT, a combination of (ahem) "technical issues",

> rising costs and low patronage has forced a rethink about whether to repair

> (including the option of replacing the ground power system with overhead

> wires) or simply abandon the system. Only 2/3 of the trams are in running

> condition. Another similar line with the same Breda technology in Beijing

> has suffered similar issues, including the ballooning maintenance costs.

> Not to worry though, the Italians made their money and ran.

>

> One day we'll look back at this caricature of a tram manufacturer and

> laugh - and be grateful that no Australian system ever fell for them, even

> though I recall Breda being promoted as one of the "great" manufacturers by

> some of the local light rail advocates. All that glitters is not gold.

>

> Tony P

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