There is an increasing number of traffic lights, including on pedestrian
crossings, that trams have to stop at, but the general road rule in Czech
Republic is that where there are no lights, trams have absolute right of
way over everything, even over pedestrians on zebra crossings - something
that is often challenging to first-time visitors to the country!
Tony P
On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 14:42:16 UTC+10transit...@... wrote:
> With the trams going that fast in the video, and apparently no traffic
> lights to slow things up, no wonder the pedestrians are moving like scalded
> cats!
>
> Regards
>
> Dudley
> On 12/06/2021 3:11 pm, Mark Skinner wrote:
>
> Challenge accepted.
>
> So, for the afternoon. A three grand union, tram museum and wife
> appeasement tour.
>
> Get on 17 southward at the Palacky Square grand union. Get off at Vyton
> take the ferries to the other side.
>
> Walk about 500m to the Plzeňka tram stop and head to Barrandov.
> Spectacular.
>
> Barrandov through to Petřin funicular on the 5 or 12 or 20. Then through
> to Malovanka on the 22. If the wife is getting a bit terse, opportunities
> to get off for coffee and sightseeing as this goes through the major
> tourist areas. Spouse appeased, catch the 25 from Malovanka...which just
> happens to go past the DP tram museum. 😉
>
> Then, onto the 1 and through to Strossmeyer Square grand union. (More
> coffee shops for spousal bribery). Back on the 1 and through to the
> Palmovka grand union. If divorce looks imminent, get off at the flea
> markets at Tržnice on the way "we need souvenirs for the grandkids,
> right?".
>
> At Palmovka, get on the 10 and it's straight back to the start point of
> the afternoon, Palacky Square. The long bridge over the valley with all the
> rail lines coming from Prague main railway station is worth it too.
>
> And for those willing to push their luck, Palacky Square has a metro
> station going directly to Anděl...where there's this really really great
> patisserie with great cakes and coffee. Not to mention one of the system's
> busiest tram intersections, but hey.
>
> https://youtu.be/69ROiHDqsB8
>
> Better stop this before Mal beats me up.
>
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021, 1:07 pm TP, histor...@...> wrote:
>
>> You missed two modes in that tour Mark, the ferries and the funicular.
>> Back to work on the itinerary son!
>>
>> I haven't been keeping up to date with Prague as I used to. I missed the
>> Brno KT8s and it seems the lists in Prag-Straba haven't caught up either so
>> I'm not sure how many KT8s there are in Prague now:
>>
>>
>> https://www.prag-straba.de/Fahrzeuge/01_fahrzeuge_strab/06_kt8/foto-kt8.html
>>
>> Yes I did miss mentioning the first stage extension ending at Holyně.
>> That will mean that most services will continue terminating at the
>> Barrandov loop until the second stage is open.
>>
>> Tony P
>>
>> On Saturday, 12 June 2021 at 13:20:52 UTC+10eme...@... wrote:
>>
>>> They also did a swap of T6 for KT8D with Brno.
>>>
>>> There are a number of staged extensions going on where the first stage
>>> terminus has no loop, and so double ended trams are needed till the full
>>> extension is complete. That's from Modřany, Pankrac, Kobylisy and
>>> Barrandov. The Kobylisy one is interesting because it is proposed to end
>>> with a cablecar over the river to Podbaba.
>>>
>>> A trip on heavy rail from Masaryk Station to Podbaba, a cablecar ride
>>> over the river, a tram down that steep Troja hill, some photos at the
>>> Palacky Square grand union then Metro back to the Masaryk Station...all in
>>> a morning. Talk about a gunzel heaven.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021, 11:26 am TP, histor...@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure it would cost peanuts compared to any current Australian deal.
>>>> I know DPP bought a KT8D5 from Strausberg, I forgot about the big batch
>>>> they've bought from Miskolc. Thirty metre double-ended accessible trams
>>>> hey. I wonder what Victorian city could have made use of those? They're
>>>> 2.48 metre wide though, not the Australian typical 2.65 metres.
>>>>
>>>> Tony P
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 12 June 2021 at 11:14:03 UTC+10eme...@... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But to be fair Tony, that $10m/kM didn't include Prague's DP buying
>>>>> the trams. If I remember correctly, DP has been picking up second hand
>>>>> KT8Ds for about $20k each and then refurbishing them and inserting a low
>>>>> floor section. I'm not sure how much that cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021, 12:00 am TP, histor...@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, I think the original 3 km Barrandov line, including that massive
>>>>>> viaduct, cost about $AUD 12 million per km back in 2003. What was CSELR,
>>>>>> about $250 million per km? It doesn't bear thinking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, 11 June 2021 at 23:44:29 UTC+10eme...@... wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The successful tenderer was Strabag. The tender price was AUD$10m.
>>>>>>> That was about 40% lower than the estimate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://zdopravy.cz/tramvajovou-trat-z-barrandova-do-holyne-postavi-strabag-cena-je-o-40-procent-nizsi-82673/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Skinner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2021, 22:20 TP histor...@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The City of Prague has a number of tram line extensions in its
>>>>>>>> planning strategy. One of these is extension of the well-known Barrandov
>>>>>>>> "light rail" line that was built in the mid 2000s. Barrandov is on a high
>>>>>>>> plateau to the SW of Prague and the tram line is notable for some fantastic
>>>>>>>> engineering and architecture to scale the heights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Further out on the plateau, on the outskirts of Prague where the
>>>>>>>> rural area begins, there are two old villages, Holyně and Slivenec, built
>>>>>>>> between about the 17th to 19th century and, as is typical across Czech
>>>>>>>> Republic (indeed across the whole of Europe), these villages have become
>>>>>>>> attractive as places of residence for city dwellers thanks to good
>>>>>>>> transport and not being too far from the city - about 9 km, which is
>>>>>>>> peanuts in an Australian city. The tram takes 25 minutes for the 9 km to
>>>>>>>> Barrandov from the centre at Malostranská, with 16 intermediate stops (cf.
>>>>>>>> CSELR 33 minutes for 8.5 km and 12 intermediate stops).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the housing stock in such villages is now augmented by many new
>>>>>>>> sympathetically-designed single houses, Australian-style, on small
>>>>>>>> allotments. In Barrandov itself and spreading further out are high density
>>>>>>>> apartment blocks along the tramway, transitioning to smaller buildings and
>>>>>>>> houses further away. A network of local bus routes feeds the tramway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To cater for the population growth between these settlements, work
>>>>>>>> is now commencing to extend the tramway a further 1.5 km (with two
>>>>>>>> intermediate stops) to these destinations. Estimated cost a few years back
>>>>>>>> was about $AUS 16 million per km and I should imagine that has not risen
>>>>>>>> above $AUD 20 million by now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you will see in the map and video below, the existing
>>>>>>>> three-track (three-route) terminus loop at Barrandov which can issue a tram
>>>>>>>> every 30 seconds (and sometimes does) will be duplicated by an
>>>>>>>> identical-capacity loop at Slivenec. I imagine the Barrandov loop will be
>>>>>>>> retained as an intermediate contingency loop. At the inner end of the
>>>>>>>> extension, apartment blocks are being built in anticipation. At the outer
>>>>>>>> end, footpaths link the final two stops to Holyně and Slivenec. The walking
>>>>>>>> distances look long to Australian eyes but in fact they're only a few
>>>>>>>> hundred metres at most. The terminus loop at Slivenec will be on the rough
>>>>>>>> patch of grass at top right at the end of the film, in which the drone
>>>>>>>> camera follows the route. A pedestrian underpass goes under the main road
>>>>>>>> to access Slivenec.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://zdopravy.cz/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/00-Holyne-uvodni-schema.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKR3jFkPpZ8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a bonus, here is a cab view of line 20 which passes through
>>>>>>>> Malostranská in the centre then to Barrandov. Malostranská is at 21 minutes
>>>>>>>> if you don't want to watch the whole video.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT9jp8bDjnM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These European pieces are brought to you as a pandemic service
>>>>>>>> since we can't go overseas to look at these things ourselves at the moment!
>>>>>>>> The unflattering cost and journey time comparisons with CSELR are brought
>>>>>>>> to you as an unsolicited extra!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tony P
>>>>>>>>
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