Thanks. It is hardly an interchange whereby you walk a few metres from a
bus to a tram. It was known in advance what was going to happen with the
buses. A proper sheltered interchange should have been built whereby
passengers step out of the bus and straight on to a tram. This is really
not good at all.
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On Fri, 7 May 2021 at 18:32, TP historyworks@...> wrote:
> I hope this grab from google maps works out legible for you:
>
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-33.9168551,151.2409422,351m/data=!3m1!1e3
>
> The inward bus stop is about 170 metres north of the tram stop along
> Belmore Rd before the corner of Arthur St. The outward stop is on the other
> side of Belmore Rd much closer to the Avoca St intersection. An inward stop
> was proposed in Avoca St at the corner or High St, right next to the tram
> (the hatching along the left side of Avoca St) but this has since been
> converted into a general traffic slip lane.
>
> Tony P
>
> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 18:10:46 UTC+10andrewh...@... wrote:
>
>> Tony, would you mind telling us exactly where the bus stop is for the
>> Randwick Interchange? I've looked at the linked map and Google Maps and I
>> can't work it out.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
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>> On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 22:41, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a map of the proposed changes:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mysydney.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/South%20East%20map.pdf
>>>
>>> Broadly simplifying the spagetti bowl (and Brian will no doubt correct
>>> me if I'm wrong), the former routes from the SE will be truncated to
>>> interchange with the tram at Kingsford and Randwick but those buses
>>> themselves will run on past the termini to new cross-suburban destinations,
>>> rather than into the city. However, there will be peak express buses
>>> continuing to run to and from the Elizabeth St side of the CBD using a
>>> clever contra peak traffic-flow route entering the northern end of the CBD
>>> at Shakespeare Place and proceeding south along Elizabeth St to Museum
>>> Station (and vice versa in evening peak).
>>>
>>> Apropos a discussion earlier in this forum, there will be only four bus
>>> routes remaining serving Circular Quay, two to the inner southern suburbs,
>>> the major 333 route to Bondi and 396 to Maroubra. All other buses are
>>> proceeding no further north than Martin Place. The job of connecting to the
>>> ferries is left mainly to the train and light rail, but the 333 will ensure
>>> a significant tourist route (the busiest bus route in Australia) is still
>>> connected to the ferries.
>>>
>>> So the grand scheme slowly comes to fruition but the slow journey time
>>> of the light rail is a blot on it causing a lot of resentment, together
>>> with the very poor interchange arrangements at Randwick (fair distance to
>>> the bus stops, in the open and, in one direction, having a signalled
>>> pedestrian crossing to access).
>>>
>>> It'll be a bit like those abortive Adelaide changes. A lot of it
>>> actually good, but public fear and misunderstanding stirs up a lot of
>>> anxiety. Unlike Adelaide, this won't be abandoned though.
>>>
>>> Tony P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 14:38:49 UTC+10 TP wrote:
>>>
>>>> That integration with L1 was an early ideal, but it fell foul of the
>>>> slow tram journey. People would want to stay on the buses. L1 still needs 5
>>>> minutes chopped off the trip which is perfectly possible (but maybe not
>>>> under TfNSW and Transdev). Fortunately, all the light rail lines are
>>>> popular enough within their own catchments. Interchange and integration
>>>> with buses isn't their strong point because the tram services are too slow
>>>> to compensate for the interchange time.
>>>>
>>>> Tony P
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 13:03:05 UTC+10a...@... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, when Constance cited Green Square as a failure in integrating
>>>>> development with transport he fails to mention how the state government has
>>>>> strenuously ignored the city council push for a tram route to that area,
>>>>> and the option of a new station on the airport railway at the Doody St
>>>>> commercial precinct in Alexandria a bit further southwest from there hasn’t
>>>>> been considered since it was deleted from the original design.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ll be interested to see what they do with the 370 and 418, the two
>>>>> bus routes that connect my area to the inner southeast. By contrast there
>>>>> has never been any attempt to integrate the inner west bus services with
>>>>> the L1 despite many points where they intersect between Glebe Point Rd and
>>>>> New Canterbury Rd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6 May 2021, at 12:20 pm, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The tram angle on this is that they're finally implementing forced
>>>>> interchange of many bus routes with the tram at Kingsford and Randwick.
>>>>> (Without doing the preparatory work like getting the journey time down to
>>>>> under 30 minutes or moving the bus stops at Randwick to somewhere near the
>>>>> tram terminus.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mysydney.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/Summary%20of%20South%20East%20bus%20routes%20changes.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3ezMkCfUo5xlonulLZ7OwJ89Adjb3B5Qdgm0R22iE_Z4PNKqjVoqaVNBU
>>>>>
>>>>> Watch the shyte hit the fan from SE commuters now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slowness - the fatal flaw of "modern light rail".
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony P
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 11:33:33 UTC+10a...@... wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/dozens-of-sydney-bus-services-cut-in-eastern-suburbs-transport-overhaul-20210506-p57pd7.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dozens of Sydney bus services cut in eastern suburbs transport
>>>>>> overhaul
>>>>>> Tom RabeMay 6, 2021 — 9.57am
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More than 20 bus routes will be cut from Sydney’s eastern suburbs and
>>>>>> another 23 “modified” as part of a planned major overhaul of the region’s
>>>>>> transport system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Transport Minister Andrew Constance confirmed on Thursday that 25 bus
>>>>>> routes would be removed from the south east Sydney region as the government
>>>>>> looks to funnel more people onto the CBD light rail.
>>>>>> [image: More than 20 bus services will be cut under an overhaul of
>>>>>> eastern suburbs public transport.]
>>>>>> More than 20 bus services will be cut under an overhaul of eastern
>>>>>> suburbs public transport.James Alcock
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the government cuts bus services across the eastern suburbs, it
>>>>>> will divert more towards the booming Green Square region, where patronage
>>>>>> grew by 50 per cent between 2016 and 2019.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asked whether eastern suburbs commuters were being punished for poor
>>>>>> planning decisions around the Green Square region, Mr Constance
>>>>>> acknowledged the government was having to “retrofit” the area with
>>>>>> transport options.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “To be honest with you, I think it’s one of the worst examples in the
>>>>>> country’s history where we’ve seen planning get ahead of mass transit
>>>>>> solutions,” Mr Constance said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “It’s terrible to think that we’ve seen the highest concentration of
>>>>>> apartment dwellings with next to no foresight into what we should do for a
>>>>>> mass transit solution.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While dozens of services across the eastern suburbs will be impacted
>>>>>> by the changes, Mr Constance said the capacity for the region would be
>>>>>> boosted by 40 per cent during peak hour for commuters heading to the city.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Among the services being cut are the popular 373 from Coogee to
>>>>>> Circular Quay and the 393 from Little Bay to Central as well as the X40,
>>>>>> X93 and X99.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr Constance said light rail services would operate every four
>>>>>> minutes between Circular Quay and Moore Park and every eight minutes
>>>>>> between Moore Park, Randwick and Kingsford on weekdays between 7am and 7pm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “The L2 and L3 lines have changed the way customers travel to and
>>>>>> from the CBD, by providing frequent turn-up-and-go services, so we need to
>>>>>> update our bus schedules accordingly,” Mr Constance said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The minister said decisions to cut certain routes were based on 2019
>>>>>> Opal data given the massive downturn in patronage during the COVID-19
>>>>>> pandemic.
>>>>>> Bus services cut
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 300, 301, 302, 309X, 310X, 314, 316, 317, 338, 353, 357, 372, 373,
>>>>>> 376, 377, 391, 393, 394, 395, 400, 400N, L94, X40, X93, X99
>>>>>> Bus services modified
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 303, 304, 307, 309, 313, 320, 339, 339X, 343, 347, 355, 362, 370,
>>>>>> 373X, 374, 374X, 377X, 392, 397, 399, 418, 420, 420N
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patronage growth on Sydney’s CBD light rail has outpaced all other
>>>>>> modes in the bounceback from COVID-19, though it is returning from a much
>>>>>> lower base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Commuters will be able to provide feedback to the plan before June
>>>>>> 19, with the government aiming to implement the changes in late 2021.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The *Herald* last year revealed
>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/leaked-government-document-reveals-slated-sydney-bus-cuts-20200227-p5453l.html
>>>>>> the government was considering cutting several bus routes from
>>>>>> Sydney’s eastern suburbs to make way for the CBD light rail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Labor member for Coogee Marjorie O’Neill said the cuts were worse
>>>>>> than expected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “This will mean heavily used express services are permanently cut and
>>>>>> thousands of people will face a far longer commute,” Ms O’Neill said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “This is nothing but a desperate attempt to prop up the failing light
>>>>>> rail by forcing commuters on to it.”
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>>>>>> [image: Tom Rabe]
>>>>>>
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