Re: Sydney bus services cut for eastern suburbs in NSW government transport overhaul
  Andrew C

Tony, would you mind telling us exactly where the bus stop is for the
Randwick Interchange? I've looked at the linked map and Google Maps and I
can't work it out.

Thanks,

Andrew.

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On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 22:41, TP historyworks@...> wrote:

> Here's a map of the proposed changes:

>

>

> https://www.mysydney.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/South%20East%20map.pdf

>

> Broadly simplifying the spagetti bowl (and Brian will no doubt correct me

> if I'm wrong), the former routes from the SE will be truncated to

> interchange with the tram at Kingsford and Randwick but those buses

> themselves will run on past the termini to new cross-suburban destinations,

> rather than into the city. However, there will be peak express buses

> continuing to run to and from the Elizabeth St side of the CBD using a

> clever contra peak traffic-flow route entering the northern end of the CBD

> at Shakespeare Place and proceeding south along Elizabeth St to Museum

> Station (and vice versa in evening peak).

>

> Apropos a discussion earlier in this forum, there will be only four bus

> routes remaining serving Circular Quay, two to the inner southern suburbs,

> the major 333 route to Bondi and 396 to Maroubra. All other buses are

> proceeding no further north than Martin Place. The job of connecting to the

> ferries is left mainly to the train and light rail, but the 333 will ensure

> a significant tourist route (the busiest bus route in Australia) is still

> connected to the ferries.

>

> So the grand scheme slowly comes to fruition but the slow journey time of

> the light rail is a blot on it causing a lot of resentment, together with

> the very poor interchange arrangements at Randwick (fair distance to the

> bus stops, in the open and, in one direction, having a signalled pedestrian

> crossing to access).

>

> It'll be a bit like those abortive Adelaide changes. A lot of it actually

> good, but public fear and misunderstanding stirs up a lot of anxiety.

> Unlike Adelaide, this won't be abandoned though.

>

> Tony P

>

>

>

> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 14:38:49 UTC+10 TP wrote:

>

>> That integration with L1 was an early ideal, but it fell foul of the slow

>> tram journey. People would want to stay on the buses. L1 still needs 5

>> minutes chopped off the trip which is perfectly possible (but maybe not

>> under TfNSW and Transdev). Fortunately, all the light rail lines are

>> popular enough within their own catchments. Interchange and integration

>> with buses isn't their strong point because the tram services are too slow

>> to compensate for the interchange time.

>>

>> Tony P

>>

>> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 13:03:05 UTC+10a...@... wrote:

>>

>>> Also, when Constance cited Green Square as a failure in integrating

>>> development with transport he fails to mention how the state government has

>>> strenuously ignored the city council push for a tram route to that area,

>>> and the option of a new station on the airport railway at the Doody St

>>> commercial precinct in Alexandria a bit further southwest from there hasn’t

>>> been considered since it was deleted from the original design.

>>>

>>> I’ll be interested to see what they do with the 370 and 418, the two bus

>>> routes that connect my area to the inner southeast. By contrast there has

>>> never been any attempt to integrate the inner west bus services with the L1

>>> despite many points where they intersect between Glebe Point Rd and New

>>> Canterbury Rd.

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>> On 6 May 2021, at 12:20 pm, TP histor...@...> wrote:

>>>

>>> The tram angle on this is that they're finally implementing forced

>>> interchange of many bus routes with the tram at Kingsford and Randwick.

>>> (Without doing the preparatory work like getting the journey time down to

>>> under 30 minutes or moving the bus stops at Randwick to somewhere near the

>>> tram terminus.)

>>>

>>>

>>> https://www.mysydney.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/Summary%20of%20South%20East%20bus%20routes%20changes.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3ezMkCfUo5xlonulLZ7OwJ89Adjb3B5Qdgm0R22iE_Z4PNKqjVoqaVNBU

>>>

>>> Watch the shyte hit the fan from SE commuters now.

>>>

>>> Slowness - the fatal flaw of "modern light rail".

>>>

>>> Tony P

>>>

>>> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 11:33:33 UTC+10a...@... wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/dozens-of-sydney-bus-services-cut-in-eastern-suburbs-transport-overhaul-20210506-p57pd7.html

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Dozens of Sydney bus services cut in eastern suburbs transport overhaul

>>>> Tom RabeMay 6, 2021 — 9.57am

>>>>

>>>> More than 20 bus routes will be cut from Sydney’s eastern suburbs and

>>>> another 23 “modified” as part of a planned major overhaul of the region’s

>>>> transport system.

>>>>

>>>> Transport Minister Andrew Constance confirmed on Thursday that 25 bus

>>>> routes would be removed from the south east Sydney region as the government

>>>> looks to funnel more people onto the CBD light rail.

>>>> [image: More than 20 bus services will be cut under an overhaul of

>>>> eastern suburbs public transport.]

>>>> More than 20 bus services will be cut under an overhaul of eastern

>>>> suburbs public transport.James Alcock

>>>>

>>>> As the government cuts bus services across the eastern suburbs, it will

>>>> divert more towards the booming Green Square region, where patronage grew

>>>> by 50 per cent between 2016 and 2019.

>>>>

>>>> Asked whether eastern suburbs commuters were being punished for poor

>>>> planning decisions around the Green Square region, Mr Constance

>>>> acknowledged the government was having to “retrofit” the area with

>>>> transport options.

>>>>

>>>> “To be honest with you, I think it’s one of the worst examples in the

>>>> country’s history where we’ve seen planning get ahead of mass transit

>>>> solutions,” Mr Constance said.

>>>>

>>>> “It’s terrible to think that we’ve seen the highest concentration of

>>>> apartment dwellings with next to no foresight into what we should do for a

>>>> mass transit solution.”

>>>>

>>>> While dozens of services across the eastern suburbs will be impacted by

>>>> the changes, Mr Constance said the capacity for the region would be boosted

>>>> by 40 per cent during peak hour for commuters heading to the city.

>>>>

>>>> Among the services being cut are the popular 373 from Coogee to

>>>> Circular Quay and the 393 from Little Bay to Central as well as the X40,

>>>> X93 and X99.

>>>>

>>>> Mr Constance said light rail services would operate every four minutes

>>>> between Circular Quay and Moore Park and every eight minutes between Moore

>>>> Park, Randwick and Kingsford on weekdays between 7am and 7pm.

>>>>

>>>> “The L2 and L3 lines have changed the way customers travel to and from

>>>> the CBD, by providing frequent turn-up-and-go services, so we need to

>>>> update our bus schedules accordingly,” Mr Constance said.

>>>>

>>>> The minister said decisions to cut certain routes were based on 2019

>>>> Opal data given the massive downturn in patronage during the COVID-19

>>>> pandemic.

>>>> Bus services cut

>>>>

>>>> 300, 301, 302, 309X, 310X, 314, 316, 317, 338, 353, 357, 372, 373, 376,

>>>> 377, 391, 393, 394, 395, 400, 400N, L94, X40, X93, X99

>>>> Bus services modified

>>>>

>>>> 303, 304, 307, 309, 313, 320, 339, 339X, 343, 347, 355, 362, 370, 373X,

>>>> 374, 374X, 377X, 392, 397, 399, 418, 420, 420N

>>>>

>>>> Patronage growth on Sydney’s CBD light rail has outpaced all other

>>>> modes in the bounceback from COVID-19, though it is returning from a much

>>>> lower base.

>>>>

>>>> Commuters will be able to provide feedback to the plan before June 19,

>>>> with the government aiming to implement the changes in late 2021.

>>>>

>>>> The *Herald* last year revealed

>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/leaked-government-document-reveals-slated-sydney-bus-cuts-20200227-p5453l.html

>>>> the government was considering cutting several bus routes from

>>>> Sydney’s eastern suburbs to make way for the CBD light rail.

>>>>

>>>> Labor member for Coogee Marjorie O’Neill said the cuts were worse than

>>>> expected.

>>>>

>>>> “This will mean heavily used express services are permanently cut and

>>>> thousands of people will face a far longer commute,” Ms O’Neill said.

>>>>

>>>> “This is nothing but a desperate attempt to prop up the failing light

>>>> rail by forcing commuters on to it.”

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>>>> [image: Tom Rabe]

>>>>

>>>>

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