Tony, would you mind telling us exactly where the bus stop is for the
Randwick Interchange? I've looked at the linked map and Google Maps and I
can't work it out.
Thanks,
Andrew.
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On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 22:41, TP historyworks@...> wrote:
> Here's a map of the proposed changes:
>
>
> https://www.mysydney.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/South%20East%20map.pdf
>
> Broadly simplifying the spagetti bowl (and Brian will no doubt correct me
> if I'm wrong), the former routes from the SE will be truncated to
> interchange with the tram at Kingsford and Randwick but those buses
> themselves will run on past the termini to new cross-suburban destinations,
> rather than into the city. However, there will be peak express buses
> continuing to run to and from the Elizabeth St side of the CBD using a
> clever contra peak traffic-flow route entering the northern end of the CBD
> at Shakespeare Place and proceeding south along Elizabeth St to Museum
> Station (and vice versa in evening peak).
>
> Apropos a discussion earlier in this forum, there will be only four bus
> routes remaining serving Circular Quay, two to the inner southern suburbs,
> the major 333 route to Bondi and 396 to Maroubra. All other buses are
> proceeding no further north than Martin Place. The job of connecting to the
> ferries is left mainly to the train and light rail, but the 333 will ensure
> a significant tourist route (the busiest bus route in Australia) is still
> connected to the ferries.
>
> So the grand scheme slowly comes to fruition but the slow journey time of
> the light rail is a blot on it causing a lot of resentment, together with
> the very poor interchange arrangements at Randwick (fair distance to the
> bus stops, in the open and, in one direction, having a signalled pedestrian
> crossing to access).
>
> It'll be a bit like those abortive Adelaide changes. A lot of it actually
> good, but public fear and misunderstanding stirs up a lot of anxiety.
> Unlike Adelaide, this won't be abandoned though.
>
> Tony P
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 14:38:49 UTC+10 TP wrote:
>
>> That integration with L1 was an early ideal, but it fell foul of the slow
>> tram journey. People would want to stay on the buses. L1 still needs 5
>> minutes chopped off the trip which is perfectly possible (but maybe not
>> under TfNSW and Transdev). Fortunately, all the light rail lines are
>> popular enough within their own catchments. Interchange and integration
>> with buses isn't their strong point because the tram services are too slow
>> to compensate for the interchange time.
>>
>> Tony P
>>
>> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 13:03:05 UTC+10a...@... wrote:
>>
>>> Also, when Constance cited Green Square as a failure in integrating
>>> development with transport he fails to mention how the state government has
>>> strenuously ignored the city council push for a tram route to that area,
>>> and the option of a new station on the airport railway at the Doody St
>>> commercial precinct in Alexandria a bit further southwest from there hasn’t
>>> been considered since it was deleted from the original design.
>>>
>>> I’ll be interested to see what they do with the 370 and 418, the two bus
>>> routes that connect my area to the inner southeast. By contrast there has
>>> never been any attempt to integrate the inner west bus services with the L1
>>> despite many points where they intersect between Glebe Point Rd and New
>>> Canterbury Rd.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On 6 May 2021, at 12:20 pm, TP histor...@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> The tram angle on this is that they're finally implementing forced
>>> interchange of many bus routes with the tram at Kingsford and Randwick.
>>> (Without doing the preparatory work like getting the journey time down to
>>> under 30 minutes or moving the bus stops at Randwick to somewhere near the
>>> tram terminus.)
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mysydney.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/Summary%20of%20South%20East%20bus%20routes%20changes.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3ezMkCfUo5xlonulLZ7OwJ89Adjb3B5Qdgm0R22iE_Z4PNKqjVoqaVNBU
>>>
>>> Watch the shyte hit the fan from SE commuters now.
>>>
>>> Slowness - the fatal flaw of "modern light rail".
>>>
>>> Tony P
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 11:33:33 UTC+10a...@... wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/dozens-of-sydney-bus-services-cut-in-eastern-suburbs-transport-overhaul-20210506-p57pd7.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dozens of Sydney bus services cut in eastern suburbs transport overhaul
>>>> Tom RabeMay 6, 2021 — 9.57am
>>>>
>>>> More than 20 bus routes will be cut from Sydney’s eastern suburbs and
>>>> another 23 “modified” as part of a planned major overhaul of the region’s
>>>> transport system.
>>>>
>>>> Transport Minister Andrew Constance confirmed on Thursday that 25 bus
>>>> routes would be removed from the south east Sydney region as the government
>>>> looks to funnel more people onto the CBD light rail.
>>>> [image: More than 20 bus services will be cut under an overhaul of
>>>> eastern suburbs public transport.]
>>>> More than 20 bus services will be cut under an overhaul of eastern
>>>> suburbs public transport.James Alcock
>>>>
>>>> As the government cuts bus services across the eastern suburbs, it will
>>>> divert more towards the booming Green Square region, where patronage grew
>>>> by 50 per cent between 2016 and 2019.
>>>>
>>>> Asked whether eastern suburbs commuters were being punished for poor
>>>> planning decisions around the Green Square region, Mr Constance
>>>> acknowledged the government was having to “retrofit” the area with
>>>> transport options.
>>>>
>>>> “To be honest with you, I think it’s one of the worst examples in the
>>>> country’s history where we’ve seen planning get ahead of mass transit
>>>> solutions,” Mr Constance said.
>>>>
>>>> “It’s terrible to think that we’ve seen the highest concentration of
>>>> apartment dwellings with next to no foresight into what we should do for a
>>>> mass transit solution.”
>>>>
>>>> While dozens of services across the eastern suburbs will be impacted by
>>>> the changes, Mr Constance said the capacity for the region would be boosted
>>>> by 40 per cent during peak hour for commuters heading to the city.
>>>>
>>>> Among the services being cut are the popular 373 from Coogee to
>>>> Circular Quay and the 393 from Little Bay to Central as well as the X40,
>>>> X93 and X99.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Constance said light rail services would operate every four minutes
>>>> between Circular Quay and Moore Park and every eight minutes between Moore
>>>> Park, Randwick and Kingsford on weekdays between 7am and 7pm.
>>>>
>>>> “The L2 and L3 lines have changed the way customers travel to and from
>>>> the CBD, by providing frequent turn-up-and-go services, so we need to
>>>> update our bus schedules accordingly,” Mr Constance said.
>>>>
>>>> The minister said decisions to cut certain routes were based on 2019
>>>> Opal data given the massive downturn in patronage during the COVID-19
>>>> pandemic.
>>>> Bus services cut
>>>>
>>>> 300, 301, 302, 309X, 310X, 314, 316, 317, 338, 353, 357, 372, 373, 376,
>>>> 377, 391, 393, 394, 395, 400, 400N, L94, X40, X93, X99
>>>> Bus services modified
>>>>
>>>> 303, 304, 307, 309, 313, 320, 339, 339X, 343, 347, 355, 362, 370, 373X,
>>>> 374, 374X, 377X, 392, 397, 399, 418, 420, 420N
>>>>
>>>> Patronage growth on Sydney’s CBD light rail has outpaced all other
>>>> modes in the bounceback from COVID-19, though it is returning from a much
>>>> lower base.
>>>>
>>>> Commuters will be able to provide feedback to the plan before June 19,
>>>> with the government aiming to implement the changes in late 2021.
>>>>
>>>> The *Herald* last year revealed
>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/leaked-government-document-reveals-slated-sydney-bus-cuts-20200227-p5453l.html
>>>> the government was considering cutting several bus routes from
>>>> Sydney’s eastern suburbs to make way for the CBD light rail.
>>>>
>>>> Labor member for Coogee Marjorie O’Neill said the cuts were worse than
>>>> expected.
>>>>
>>>> “This will mean heavily used express services are permanently cut and
>>>> thousands of people will face a far longer commute,” Ms O’Neill said.
>>>>
>>>> “This is nothing but a desperate attempt to prop up the failing light
>>>> rail by forcing commuters on to it.”
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>>>> [image: Tom Rabe]
>>>>
>>>>
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