So why is all this knowledgeable discussion also in The Age letters or
somewhere similar? No good writing to the politicians, they will just
ignore it all.
On Mon, 3 May 2021, 13:27 TP, historyworks@...> wrote:
> The CAF AXL for Stockholm is partly high floor - over the end (swivelling)
> bogies. To get the shorter length they would use only the two end modules
> with cabs and I imagine put a bogie under the other end of one module to
> support the tram in the middle. CAF doesn't have much experience with this
> type of tram. I presume UGL's involvement is to make local assembly
> possible. The batteries don't make sense (except for emergency propulsion)
> when the whole system is covered by wires. It's almost like they have to
> have the latest environmental fashion accessory, even when it's not
> particularly environmental.
>
> Tony P
>
> On Monday, 3 May 2021 at 13:03:49 UTC+10 Mal Rowe wrote:
>
>> On 02/05/2021 10:19, TP wrote:
>>
>> That's a terribly confused article and seems to be a grab bag of all the
>> issues that have been discussed over recent years. Is it about new trams or
>> new electric buses? It leaps from one to the other.
>>
>> Agreed it's a shambolic report - perhaps the reporter was under pressure
>> to fill space in the Sunday Age!
>>
>> However, there is some apparently 'real' information:
>>
>> - Planned quantity is 100 trams with delivery starting in 2025
>> (already known).
>> - Shortlisted tenderers will be Alstom and a consortium of CAF and
>> UGL.
>> - Length will be 25m - just 1.4m longer than a B class.
>> - They will have onboard energy storage using batteries (already
>> known)
>>
>> As Tony says, the trams are a bit shorter than new tram norms - however,
>> new tramways don't have parallel tram lines running only 500m to 1km apart
>> as Melbourne does in the south east sector. I'm assuming that the aim is
>> to get new trams without significant depot expansion.
>>
>> The comments in the piece about weight and curves make no sense - the Es
>> can run anywhere in Melbourne and while I am aware of curves being eased, I
>> can't bring to mind any bridge strengthening.
>>
>> I assume that CAF will offer their Urbos AXL - their rotating bogie
>> option, but it's not clear to me how they would produce a shorter version.
>>
>> See: https://gryphon4.environdec.com/system/data/files/6/9691/epd297.pdf
>> for the Stockholm version.
>>
>> Mal Rowe - noting that the latest E (6095) still sports a BOMBARDIER
>> badge.
>>
>>
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