Re: Re: Sydney’s public transport growing back differently post-pandemic

They're pretty slow on curves and any potential acceleration and
deceleration is not effectively utilised. The situation is down to a set of
cumulative factors, none of them seemingly greatly significant in
themselves, but added together they sabotage the journey time.

Tony P

On Thursday, 29 April 2021 at 12:23:14 UTC+10bblun...@... wrote:

> The trams themselves are not slow, they can move at similar speeds to

> buses in similar circumstances.


> The actual journey time end to end is longer in the trams due to the need

> to get from the Elizabeth St alignment of the buses across to George St,

> and then endure the "pedestrian protecting" speed limits along that section

> (buses that previously used George St wouldn't have been much quicker, if

> at all at busy times).


> Traffic light priority is still "hit and miss". Journey times can vary by

> up to 5 minutes. The slow speeds in George St probably allow better

> coordination with cross traffic and reduce the waiting times. Some stops

> have dedicated pedestrian crossings and it is not uncommon for the tram to

> be held while the passengers who have just got off, cross in front of it.


> Brian, on the L3.

> On Wednesday, 28 April 2021, 5:53:39 pm AEST, Robert Taaffe <

>rtaa...@...> wrote:



> Surely we are not talking about apples and apples. Buses only stop on

> request while the trams halt at all stops.


> I travelled on the Kingsford service at Easter and it thought it scooted

> along quite well, certainly better than my journey on the Randwick line pre

> virus. The trams were always relatively well patronised and there was none

> of the excessive delays that featured in my previous journeys. From memory

> the longest dwell for traffic lights was only momentarily, in most cases

> the traffic lights approach cleared. There did not appear to have been any

> tram signals against us.


> Bob - more than happy with the journey.


> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:15:14 PM UTC+10 TP wrote:


> It's tabled at 33-34 minutes now, not quite as quick as the buses but a

> lot better than where it started out. It could do with at least another

> five minutes off, as could IWLR. This sort of difference doesn't really

> matter if you're just travelling over a segment of the line (like Circular

> Quay to Central, or Central to UNSW). It's still an issue if you're

> transferring to and from a bus at the outer ends and going right into the

> city.


> Tony P


> On Wednesday, 28 April 2021 at 14:05:10 UTC+10mcloug...@... wrote:


> I see the party that got rid of the trams and trenchantly opposed their

> return remains consistently sarcastic:


> > Opposition transport spokesman Chris Minns said he was pleased to see

> more patronage on the light rail. “The good news is you’ll always get a

> seat, the bad news is it might be quicker to walk,” he said.


> Can someone local tell me if they have managed to speed up the service to

> anything approaching bus speeds yet? When Judith rode it in March last

> year just before fleeing back to NZ while she still could, she said it

> appeared no faster than walking.


> The Bubble and Covid willing, we will be back over in June and I plan to

> sample these lines at long last.


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> david mcloughlin, New Zealand

> "Progress is not achieved by preachers and guardians of morality but by

> madmen, hermits, heretics, dreamers, rebels and skeptics." -- Stephen Fry.


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