Buses do need a good road to be absolutely comfortable. Perth's roads are
maintained in excellent condition (must be all that mining money!) and,
yes, the buses are very smooth to ride there and the drivers considerate.
Brian is right about Sydney, a lot of heavily-used, inadequately-maintained
rough road surfaces and a tradition among govvie drivers that they drive
full pelt over everything regardless of conditions, never mind the
passengers and the taxpayers are paying for the maintenance of the bus of
course. Private bus services have typically been more conscious of their
passengers and looking after the bus (and they are private operators in
Perth too). So you need a combination of good roads and private operation
to get the best out of a bus for passengers.
I remember years ago when I was attending Sydney Tech watching a DGT
Worldmaster rounding the corner from Harris St to Broadway without slowing
down. His rear wheels were tramping sideways across the road but he made
it. I recall Richard saying that in the 1960s a lot of former Sydney tram
drivers were then driving the buses and they drove them like trams! My dad
who was an engineer in the DGT in the 50s said the government drivers were
reckless and often got into accidents.
Tony P
On Tuesday, 6 April 2021 at 15:55:42 UTC+10bblun...@... wrote:
> In most parts of Sydney, it is poor road conditions exacerbated by poor
> driving skills. Some drivers will slow down for known problem areas, others
> will charge through regardless.
>
> You probably don't realise how rough bus travel can be until you take the
> same trip in a tram.
>
>
> Brian, on the L3
> On Tuesday, 6 April 2021, 3:48:23 pm AEST, Bob Pearce pro...@...>
> wrote:
>
>
> Must be a Sydeneny thang !!!!!
>
>
>
> I don’t think that the buses are quite that rough in the west???
>
>
>
> OTH though, could it be the driver skills (lack of) or the road
> conditions??
>
>
>
> Bob in Perth
>
>
>
> *From:*tramsdo...@... tramsdo...@...> *On
> Behalf Of *lime...@telstra.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 April 2021 10:16 AM
> *To:*tramsdo...@...
> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: Why cities planning to spend billions
> on light rail should look again at what buses can do
>
>
>
> This report leaves out the major reason that discourages use of public
> transport COMFORT.
>
> As an older user of Public Transport I can assure the writers of this
> article ( who I would suspect do not regularly use buses) buses bounce and
> swerve from side to side on the road. This makes it difficult to sit
> comfortably, or stand and negotiate to the doorways prior to the stop to
> alight. This is a major reason older peple do not use buses and prefer
> Trains and Trams.
>
>
>
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>
> *From:*tramsdo...@... tramsdo...@...> on
> behalf of TP histor...@...>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:16 am
> *To:* TramsDownUnder
> *Subject:* [TramsDownUnder] Re: Why cities planning to spend billions on
> light rail should look again at what buses can do
>
>
>
> Academic provides compelling reason why universities should be closed.
> There's an elephant in the room that's completely ignored by those arguing
> for "BRT" - capacity. The ignorant overlooking this issue can be excused
> but for an academic it should be at the root of the analysis.
>
>
>
> You have a city corridor. You look at the population and development along
> and around it. You look at the future urban planning around the corridor.
> Is there going to be more consolidation, higher population, more activity
> centres, a new university (said without irony), or is it going to remain
> much as it is for generations ahead (Adelaide lol)? So then you work out
> how many people need to move along the corridor and what the future growth
> projections for this figure are, considering the planning intentions. Then
> you need to work out the likely passenger demand on the corridor which
> brings us to mode. Does it need trains, trams or buses (or a combination of
> these)?
>
>
>
> You can run all of these modes at similar headways (vehicles per hour) but
> the vehicle capacities are markedly different, thus will move different
> numbers of commuters per hour. A train will carry hundreds of people, a
> tram anything from about 200 to about 400, a bus from 50 or less to about
> 150 or so (the latter double-articulated, not legal on Australian roads,
> needs special exclusive roadway). So there's the analysis. All for the cost
> of a pension, not an academic salary.
>
>
>
> Tony P
>
> On Tuesday, 6 April 2021 at 09:19:56 UTC+10gregsut...@...
> wrote:
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