Re: Re: CSELR
  Matthew Geier

On 24/2/21 1:47 pm, TP wrote:
> L2 and L3 trams (as well as existing L1) are now live tracked on Anytrip.

>

> https://anytrip.com.au/

Tripview is showing 'live' departure times but isn't yet able to show moving pins on the map view.

anytrip is showing the car numbers of l2/l3. l1 just shows 'urbos3'.

I remember when tripview first came out the real time bus tracking showed the bus number. Apparently the operators complained that was giving away too much information and the public data was bared back to just the model  number of the rostered bus.

>

> Tony P

>

> On Wednesday, 17 February 2021 at 14:46:13 UTC+11bblun...@... wrote:

>

> The "whole block" between Hay St (L1) and the Chinatown (L2-3)

> stops that Tony complains about is less than the length of a twin

> tram set.There are plenty of other mode interchanges around that

> have a much greater walking distance.

>

> Interchange between Haymarket stop and Central is now difficult

> because the stairs/escalators from the colonnade to Eddy Ave are

> closed till the end of the year for renovations.

>

> Any new platform would have to be south of Hay St due to the

> gradient to the north of the stop. This would be doable  now that

> there is no traffic in this section. But putting in new

> infrastructure on the platform might be a challenge for them.

>

> I have used the Chinatown stop on several occasions, and I haven't

> found any problems with congestion.

>

> Brian, in L3 land

>

> On Wednesday, 17 February 2021, 1:57:25 pm AEDT, 'Richard Youl'

> via TramsDownUnder tramsdo...@...> wrote:

>

>

> The overcrowded Chinatown Centre stop problem could easily be

> avoided by making the existing platform  for just one direction,

> and putting the stop for the other direction at a ramped up

> section of roadway much as has been done on some narrow streets in

> Melbourne and also overseas? This would be especially easy to do

> if the stop is in the recently pedestrianised section.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>> On 16 Feb 2021, at 9:51 pm, TP histor...@...> wrote:

>>

>> 

>> It'll prick the dreams of those who want to see Citadis on IWLR

>> (and vice versa?). Even disregarding the APS, we won't see IWLR

>> CAFs turning north up George St at Hay St to run a direct

>> connection from the inner west to Circular Quay.

>>

>> So, accepting separate lines as a given, they then mess up the

>> interchange between the two at Hay and George by sticking the

>> George St stop a block to the north because that's as close as

>> they can get it because there are traffic lanes on each side - so

>> there's a hike between the stops. Because of those traffic lanes

>> they also make that George St stop - Chinatown, the second

>> busiest - a centre island that can't handle the crowds that use it.

>>

>> Then, after CSELR has opened, they change their minds and get rid

>> of traffic all along George St and turn it all into a plaza, so

>> those interchange stops could have been next to each other after

>> all and the Chinatown stop could have been side platforms. But

>> it's now prohibitive to do that because the tracks and wires have

>> been splayed for the centre island and it would all have to be

>> dug up and rebuilt.

>>

>> There are three possible interchange points between CSELR and

>> IWLR and they're all at a distance. Hay St is closest at about

>> 150 metres.

>>

>> This is just one chapter in the book of CSELR!

>>

>> Tony P

>>

>> On Tuesday, 16 February 2021 at 21:32:47 UTC+11

>> gregsut...@... wrote:

>>

>> I hesitate to say "I told them so" but in my submission to

>> the CSELR EIS which was and should still be on the Public

>> Record I pointed out that they should not go out to public

>> tender prior to drawing up a set of appropriate standards,

>> preferably based on Melbourne's well established standards

>> and that they should work with Melbourne to  generate overall

>> Australian Standards.

>>

>> I also recall meeting with one of the numerous, revolving

>> door TfNSW CSELR Project Managers at one of their public

>> forums and pointing out to him that the depot should have

>> exit/entry tracks direct to and from both Anzac Parade and

>> Allison Roads.  He looked at me as if I was speaking Swahili.

>> He obviously did not have a technical clue as to what I was

>> talking about nor did he obviously care.

>>

>> TfNSW still do not have a practical suite of standards for

>> light rail in Sydney, let alone New South Wales. They are not

>> an informed buyer of appropriate technology and operational

>> practice associated with light rail nor are they competent

>> overseers of the contractors delivering multi million $ light

>> rail infrastructure.

>>

>> Greg

>>

>>

>> On 16/02/2021 5:24 pm, TP wrote:

>>> On the Bus Australia forum a member has reported seeing an

>>> empty Citadis set proceeding late at night along IWLR to the

>>> Lilyfield workshops while he was at a tram platform. He

>>> observed that both the horizontal and vertical clearances of

>>> the Alstom from the platform were substantial and no way

>>> compliant for accessibility. It wouldn't have even been

>>> possible to get a wheelchair on. We've previously heard

>>> about this early example of TfNSW bungling compatibility and

>>> failure to set standards, but it's apparent that the

>>> practical consequences are not small, but substantial. So it

>>> looks like it's always going to be one type of tram for the

>>> CSELR and another for the IWLR. I wouldn't even dare ask

>>> what the situation is with the Parramatta and Newcastle lines.

>>>

>>> Tony P

>>>

>>> On Thursday, 10 December 2020 at 19:57:37 UTC+11

>>> gol8...@... wrote:

>>>

>>> Shades of Little Abner. SWINE. Students Wildly Indignant

>>> About Nearly Everything.

>>> Geoff O.

>>> *From:* TP

>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:28 PM

>>> *To:* TramsDownUnder

>>> *Subject:* Re: [TramsDownUnder] Re: CSELR

>>> The average university SRC is somewhere over on the far

>>> left side of the planet and would oppose anything coming

>>> from a Liberal government even before they put their

>>> brains into gear to think about it. I think that UNSW

>>> study was done before they decided to add an extra car

>>> to the trams. There's tons of capacity, plus the flows

>>> will be counter-peak so they won't be competing with

>>> city commuters. It's what the line was designed to do,

>>> the only surprise being that they didn't stop running

>>> the university  buses earlier.  There's no serious

>>> journey-time issue on this short run from Central to

>>> UNSW like there is for commuters from further out in the

>>> SE suburbs.

>>> Tony P

>>> On Thursday, 10 December 2020 at 11:21:56 UTC+11 Matthew

>>> Geier wrote:

>>>

>>> The uni did its own analysis while the tramway was

>>> under construction and determined that the Uni alone

>>> could soak up 70% of the capacity of the system.

>>> That's before all the extra densification of

>>> development around the route and bus transfers are

>>> the terminus as proposed. The headline basically was

>>> - if the government followed through with all the

>>> proposed rezoning around the tram route, there would

>>> no longer be enough capacity for the Uni's needs

>>> once all those new residents moved in and started

>>> using the tramway. I think they were calling for the

>>> government to revise down the number of new units

>>> proposed along the route.

>>> The complaints about the buses will be coming from

>>> the student politicians in the SRC and none of them

>>> are probably from the 'built environment' or

>>> engineering depts. (disciplines that would be able

>>> to do a proper analysis of transport patterns).

>>> Those proto-politicians will be all from the

>>> disciplines of the social sciences, like 'Political

>>> Economy'. (I don't know if UNSW has that, the mob I

>>> work for do!)

>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:03,peterm...@...

>>> peterm...@...> wrote:

>>>

>>> Sheesh, what are the uni carrying on about, the

>>> trams have heaps of capacity, put your masks on

>>> folks.

>>> Peter

>>> On Wednesday, 9 December 2020 at 15:34:22 UTC+11

>>> TP wrote:

>>>

>>> Another mob complaining about changing to

>>> the tram - an "educated" one but with less

>>> rational grounds this time. At least TfNSW

>>> has argued its case with statistics this

>>> time instead of just making motherhood

>>> statements. Do they not teach maths at UNSW

>>> nowadays?

>>>

>>> [quote]UNSW bus services cut, students

>>> instead to catch light rail

>>>

>>> Thousands of UNSW students are set to

>>> descend on the light rail in the new year

>>> after news their bus services to and from

>>> the CBD will be axed.

>>> Joanna Panagopoulos

>>> December 8, 2020 - 1:46PM

>>> Southern Courier

>>> People waiting in line for the UNSW express

>>> 891 bus in December 2017. Picture:

>>> AAP/Matthew Vasilescu

>>>

>>> UNSW students have expressed anger at a NSW

>>> Government decision to cut three direct

>>> buses from the city to the campus.

>>>

>>> On Monday, it was announced that the 891,

>>> 893 and 898 express bus routes directly from

>>> Central Station to UNSW’s Kensington Campus

>>> would be withdrawn at the end of the term,

>>> from December 21.

>>>

>>> The UNSW Student Representative Council said

>>> in a statement they were “firmly opposed to

>>> this shortsighted decision”.

>>>

>>> “The NSW Government has cynically chosen to

>>> review the usage of express UNSW bus

>>> services in the middle of a

>>> once-in-a-century pandemic. To the surprise

>>> of nobody, they have found that usage of

>>> these services has dropped dramatically,”

>>> the statement continued.

>>>

>>> “The NSW Government will push thousands of

>>> UNSW students onto crowded light rail and

>>> public bus services. Even without COVID-19,

>>> this would be an irresponsible decision. In

>>> light of the pandemic, it borders on absurd.”

>>> The long line to get on the 891 express bus

>>> from Central to UNSW.

>>>

>>> Students are now being encouraged to use

>>> light rail services and other regular buses

>>> from Central Station.

>>>

>>> A Transport for NSW spokesman said: “The

>>> light rail was always intended to provide

>>> services to the UNSW, which is why the

>>> Kensington campus is serviced by two light

>>> rail stops.”

>>>

>>> The light rail has been designed to have a

>>> maximum capacity of 6,750 customers per hour

>>> from the CBD to Randwick/Kingsford between

>>> 7am and 7pm (weekdays), the spokesman said.

>>>

>>> “This provides ample capacity for the

>>> 1500-2000 customers which on average catch

>>> the 891 bus each hour from Central to UNSW

>>> between seven to 11am pre-COVID.”

>>>

>>> Transport for NSW also said in October 2020,

>>> 130 students and staff on average caught the

>>> 891 each hour between 7am to 11am.

>>>

>>> A UNSW spokeswoman said: “It is an important

>>> priority for us that the University

>>> community is easily and safely able to reach

>>> campus each day, and we continue to work

>>> with Transport for NSW on how best to meet

>>> the needs of our students and staff”.

>>>

>>> She added that they had around 60,000

>>> students and 6000 staff on campus in 2020,

>>> and expected more students and staff to

>>> return in 2021 with the easing of COVID

>>> restrictions.

>>> [/quote]

>>> Tony P

>>> On Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 20:36:55

>>> UTC+10 TP wrote:

>>>

>>> Local MPs Daley and O'Neill have

>>> submitted a petition of 20,000

>>> signatures to Parliament opposing the

>>> bus cutbacks that were to accompany the

>>> introduction of the trams. That's quite

>>> a vote of confidence in the tram service

>>> (not)!

>>> Tony P

>>> On Sunday, 2 August 2020 at 11:02:23

>>> UTC+10 TP wrote:

>>>

>>> https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/advertising-blitz-to-warn-people-to-stay-safe-around-sydney-trams/news-story/53a92dc5476f14b8877b6cd5bcf3294c

>>> https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/advertising-blitz-to-warn-people-to-stay-safe-around-sydney-trams/news-story/53a92dc5476f14b8877b6cd5bcf3294c

>>>

>>>

>>> Advertising blitz to warn people

>>> to stay safe around Sydney trams

>>>

>>> Too many passengers are risking

>>> their lives around Sydney’s network

>>> of trams by not paying attention to

>>> their surroundings. Check out the

>>> video of near misses.

>>>

>>> *Miranda Wood*, The Sunday Telegraph

>>> August 2, 2020 6:00am

>>>

>>>

>>> dailytelegraph.com.au

>>> http://dailytelegraph.com.au1:51

>>>

>>>

>>> CCTV footage of near misses

>>> with pedestrians and trams

>>>

>>> Sydney Light Rail drivers are

>>> reporting a large number of

>>> near-misses as people walk in front

>>> of trams. Transport for NSW is

>>> expanding its public safety campaign

>>> to prevent th...

>>> MORE IN news

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>>>

>>> COVIDSafe app helps track down

>>> possibly infected people

>>>

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>>>

>>> ‘Super-fit’ Gyngell’s heart attack

>>> wake-up call

>>>

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>>>

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>>>

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>>>

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>>>

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>>>

>>> These are the close-call moments for

>>> pedestrians nearly hit by trams —

>>> while one man wasn’t so lucky.

>>>

>>> Three weeks after transport

>>> authorities released footage of

>>> reckless and dangerous behaviour

>>> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/light-rail-near-misses-sydneysiders-urged-to-take-caution/video/f174273cd56e34acd8436c14589e8865

>>> of Sydneysiders around trams, come

>>> these even more shocking CCTV images

>>> — as well as a new safety campaign.

>>>

>>> Footage from Lewisham, in Sydney’s

>>> inner west, captured a man hit by a

>>> tram after he walked straight into

>>> its path as he was leaving the station.

>>>

>>> Some pedestrians are not paying

>>> attention around the Sydney with a

>>> collision recently in Lewisham.

>>> Some pedestrians are not paying

>>> attention around the Sydney with a

>>> collision recently in Lewisham.

>>>

>>> In another video at Eddy Ave,

>>> opposite Central Station, a tram was

>>> forced to brake suddenly when a man

>>> dashed in front in wet weather at night.

>>>

>>> Transport for NSW Greater Sydney

>>> chief operations officer Howard

>>> Collins said Sydneysiders had to

>>> “ditch the distractions” with tram

>>> drivers reporting too many

>>> pedestrians were risking their lives.

>>>

>>> “A fully loaded tram weighs around

>>> 120 tonnes, which is as heavy as a

>>> blue whale and it can’t stop

>>> quickly, needing several metres to

>>> stop in an emergency,” Mr Collins said.

>>>

>>> “People are distracted with mobile

>>> phones and take chances dashing

>>> across the tracks in front of a tram.

>>>

>>> A pedestrian scoots out in front of

>>> a tram in George St.A pedestrian

>>> scoots out in front of a tram in

>>> George St.

>>>

>>> “On occasion pedestrians will offer

>>> a wave of apology thinking it’s a

>>> minor inconvenience, but on board

>>> that tram is a driver who was forced

>>> to activate their emergency brakes,

>>> potentially endangering dozens of

>>> passengers in their care.”

>>>

>>> Latest figures show since December

>>> 1, 179 incidents were reported on

>>> the light rail including 157

>>> near-misses with pedestrians,

>>> vehicles and cyclists and 22

>>> collisions — four with people.

>>>

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>>>

>>> Of the near misses, nearly 70

>>> involved pedestrians with most

>>> narrow escapes occurring in the CBD

>>> and Surry Hills.

>>>

>>> Mr Collins said: “Trams are quiet

>>> and we have a tram every four

>>> minutes between Circular Quay at

>>> Moore Park and every eight minutes

>>> in the southeast, so it’s important

>>> for pedestrians to watch out for

>>> oncoming trams and only cross the

>>> tracks where it is safe to do so.”

>>>

>>> Another passenger is putting himself

>>> at risk at Central Station.Another

>>> passenger is putting himself at risk

>>> at Central Station.

>>>

>>> An advertising blitz warning

>>> pedestrians, cyclists and motorists

>>> to stay safe around trams will start

>>> on Sunday with Transdev Sydney Light

>>> Rail chief officer Brian Brennan

>>> saying: “If everyone remembers to:

>>> ‘Look left and right, check for

>>> trams,’ we can prevent people

>>> walking into the path of trams”.

>>>

>>> “We have had far too many

>>> near-misses, particularly involving

>>> pedestrians, and we urge everybody

>>> to remain aware of their

>>> surroundings when travelling on and

>>> around our network.”

>>>

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